21 comments

  • Mitch WarrenMitch Warren, 10 months ago

    Site is completely broken in Safari

    31 points
    • Stuart McCoyStuart McCoy, 10 months ago

      I really am getting annoyed at developers who target Chrome first/only. Test your shit people.

      4 points
    • Rob GillRob Gill, 10 months ago

      Wow this comment nearly got more upvotes than the article! Unsurprising designers use Safari... but people getting mad over this, really?!?! Chrome extensions make it the better choice IMO

      -7 points
      • Jeff CouturierJeff Couturier, 10 months ago

        Yes, people get mad over basic compatibility and they're reasonable to do so. Even if Chrome is the better choice (that's merely a preference for you), the entire point of the web is that a visitor doesn't have to use one specific browser on one specific device. Any moderately competent designer/developer should always test on all major browsers.

        8 points
      • Adam Fisher-CoxAdam Fisher-Cox, 9 months ago

        Ooooof....

        0 points
    • Moe AmayaMoe Amaya, 9 months ago

      Safari is dumb. But I fixed the site anyways.

      1 point
  • Brandon ZellBrandon Zell, 10 months ago

    So for $6,700:

    • The client has to provide the first website mockups

    • A website that requires an internal developer (guessing that means no CMS)

    • No migration of text or images from old website

    • And this is the designer's first client website (i.e. no experience)

    The design for this tool is great. Nice and clean, great hierarchy. But the calculations and options... They don't seem realistic to me. Anyone else? From your experiences are these accurate?

    11 points
    • Andrew Hersh, 10 months ago

      These prices are ridiculously h-

      "design agency in San Francisco"

      These prices are pretty accurate.

      12 points
      • Brandon ZellBrandon Zell, 10 months ago

        Ha, yeah, I get that a studio in San Francisco would charge a higher price, but asking the client to supply mockups? Not setting up a CMS? Not migrating content? And No prior client work experience? Those seem like made up options to justify having three price points for each question.

        4 points
        • Moe AmayaMoe Amaya, 10 months ago

          You're not far from wrong :)

          But the lowest price point options aren't all selected for a single project. What normally happens is they supply mockups OR they already have a CMS OR they don't have new content OR they don't value our previous experience.

          Sometimes it can be more than one of those options also.

          2 points
  • zafer o., 10 months ago

    Prices had been written with dollar sign instead of russian ruble.

    5 points
  • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, 10 months ago

    In my experience the only way to make this kind of tool actually useful is to also provide actual case studies of real-world sites along with a cost breakdown, so that potential clients can find the closest match to what they have in mind and go from there. But for some reason nobody seems to want to do that…

    5 points
    • Moe AmayaMoe Amaya, 10 months ago

      That's a fair critique, but it's pretty hard to get a client to provide that transparency...they really have nothing to gain by publicizing how much they paid.

      I considered making up look-a-like websites as examples, but even that felt like they could be paired up with our published work.

      0 points
      • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, 10 months ago

        You could do volunteer work for non-profits and then provide an estimate of how much that would've cost for a paying client?

        4 points
  • Marek LMarek L, 10 months ago

    A bit overpriced.

    4 points
  • Scott ThomasScott Thomas, 10 months ago

    I am really surprised content migration is only 2k. That is less than 2 days of work at $150 bill rate for discovery and set up migration scripts. That would have to be on the premise the new design matches 1 to 1 with the old design and your site is probably on the same CMS.

    I'm on projects that our migration plan is about 2 years for the amount of content they have. Some take even longer because they are on uncommon CMS.

    2 points
    • Brandon ZellBrandon Zell, 10 months ago

      It doesn't go into size of the migration either. Depending on the client, you could have 10 pages, or 10,000 pages (and even then, the amount of content on each page could vary substantially).

      2 points
    • Moe AmayaMoe Amaya, 10 months ago

      This is based on our own experience over the four years working mostly on marketing-style websites. Even for 1000+ page websites, we were able to migrate the content in a day or so.

      0 points
  • Johannes Neumeier, 10 months ago

    I wish this would present prices as approximates. It's good to get a sense for the magnitude of extra $ something will cost, but putting those actual prices on things just makes you skeptical.

    1 point
  • Marcel van Werkhoven, 9 months ago

    This was the average pricing for my agency in 2018:

    Small/mid-size business

    < 2000 (one pager as a bare bones solution or if time isn't an issue we turn it into an educational project for an intern)

    2000 - 3000 (basic WordPress website with customized theme using existing brand)

    3000 - 7000 (basic WordPress website with additional content creation (photography/copywriting/branding))

    Corporate

    4000 - 5000 (starting price for a small marketing/event website using an existing brand)

    5000 - 10000 (additional services, main brand website or a large website)

    10k+ (we don't want WordPress / multi language etc.)

    Prices are in Euro. (I would say multiply them by 1.5 to get a dollar figure)

    Asking more than 3k for a WordPress website is out of range for most small businesses. Our pricing is mid range. Some agencies offer the second option for 1500. Some do websites for 599 (although the work is terrible obviously).

    What I usually don't get about these tools is how an uneditable site starts at 3.5k and a WordPress website is suddenly 6.5k. WordPress is free, a theme license sets you back $200 - $500 and offering a CMS(with a page builder) makes your own work easier as well.

    1 point