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Introducing...downvoting!

2 months ago from

Greetings DN,

We just pushed out a big update to the voting system here on Designer News. You can now downvote posts and comments! This is just the first step of many we're currently working on to improve and breathe new life into DN. We believe the philosophy of Downvoting should be mainly for unwanted content, spam, etc, and not for disagreeing with a comment.

Remember, with great power comes great responsibility.

Feel free to leave any comments or questions below! :)

89 comments

  • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, 2 months ago

    We believe the philosophy of Downvoting should be mainly for unwanted content, spam, etc, and not for disagreeing with a comment.

    Biggest lie of the internet…

    116 points
    • Spenser WolzSpenser Wolz, 2 months ago

      Sacha,

      We can strive to be a better community than other places available on the web. Just because that's how those sites behave, doesn't mean ours should follow. If people disagree on something, that is where a conversation should take place.

      -60 points
      • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, 2 months ago

        As designers we should be well-placed to know that people follow in the path you design for them. The downvote button is well-understood to mean "I don't like this" throughout the internet, no matter what its creator originally intended. Designing against human nature is an uphill battle, and human nature usually wins…

        69 points
        • Nelson Abalos JrNelson Abalos Jr, 2 months ago

          Good point. What if the downvote had a tooltip that said something like "please use responsibly." or "only use if this is unwanted content, spam, etc, and not for disagreeing with a comment."

          -18 points
          • Aaron Wears Many HatsAaron Wears Many Hats, 2 months ago

            100% will not be adhered to

            30 points
          • Martin BavioMartin Bavio, 2 months ago

            This would be like designing using "Paul Rand" as the expected name length every time.

            1 point
          • Jonathon HalliwellJonathon Halliwell, 2 months ago

            Makes me want to press it more, don't tell what I'm supposed to use it for

            1 point
          • Erhan D'SilvaErhan D'Silva, 2 months ago

            Or how about the down vote button does nothing but is just visually there to satisfy our innate tendencies to rage on the internet ... similar to fake elevator open and close door buttons.

            -1 points
            • Jonathan ShariatJonathan Shariat, 2 months ago

              Dishonest UI usually bite you on the other end. Once people find out, they question what else is a lie and it degrades the experience.

              -1 points
        • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, 2 months ago

          Not sure where the issue is with a downvote as a means to express my disagreement with something?

          1 point
          • Andreas Ubbe Dall, 1 month ago

            I think the downside is that on sites like reddit where content is actively hidden based on downvotes, it could potentially mean the suppression of any divergent opinions, leaving the only visible content to always be the most popular opinion.

            1 point
            • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, 1 month ago

              But nothing is "hidden" here: It's just another metric to base sorting on, for every user to choose for himself. Also, comments on comments are always sorted by time ... even if someone sorts by votes.

              I agree, that on Reddit it's a little different ... although not sure how much really? I never use Reddit so no idea, how it works there in detail ...

              -1 points
              • Andreas Ubbe Dall, 1 month ago

                I agree it may be different here if it doesn't actually hide the content, I was merely providing some context as to why the common best practice mentioned for downvoting is the same as stated here; only for spam etc - even though people tend to ignore it.

                0 points
        • Patrick LoonstraPatrick Loonstra, 2 months ago

          True story. It is a 'report spam' button it can work the same, but guides it in a better way.

          5 points
        • Akshay ChauhanAkshay Chauhan, 2 months ago

          Let the market or human laziness or triggered vocal minority decide..

          1 point
        • Cristian MoiseiCristian Moisei, 2 months ago

          What's wrong with down-voting stuff you don't like?

          -1 points
    • Jrtorrents Dorman , 2 months ago

      I completely agree! It shouldn’t be for the comments.

      I sometimes read Ars.com and I think downvoting is one of the worst part of the site. Even before hitting the comments section, I know which kinds of comments will get upvotes and which one’s would get downvoted.

      They’ve unwittingly created a system where people are forced to tow the line or risk been downvoted into oblivion.

      10 points
      • Spenser Wolz, 2 months ago

        This is a very interesting point. I agree with you that sometimes downvoting can change what people choose to comment on, fearing the reaction of others.

        How would the community feel if we just had downvotes on posts, not comments? I think that could work really well.

        10 points
        • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, 2 months ago

          That sounds like the safe bet, although I don't understand the controversy around downvoting comments for expressing discontent.

          0 points
        • Daniel GoldenDaniel Golden, 2 months ago

          As just .001% of the community, I think downvotes belong on comments too. There spammy, rude, and incendiary comments as well as posts.

          -5 points
        • Phil RauPhil Rau, 2 months ago

          I like that better personally. With comments, if I'm interested in the topic I'll scroll down regardless of who thinks what. But we need more curation on the frontpage and hopefully downvoting can get us that.

          0 points
        • Eli SchiffEli Schiff, 2 months ago

          That will mean commenters can say whatever they want, but people who want to get traction on articles that are thought-provoking won't get seen on Designer News.

          Very well-considered.

          1 point
    • GOOD LUCKGOOD LUCK, 2 months ago

      Agree. Downvote = I don't like this, Report button = "spam, etc", this is the common and fair pattern.

      Saying downvote is for spam is like giving the nuclear weapon to people in the name of peace ;)

      13 points
    • Ktrn DsrsKtrn Dsrs, 2 months ago

      Troll alert : Those users that won't like comments from other ones!

      1 point
    • Eli SchiffEli Schiff, 2 months ago

      Yeah, we all know how this is going to be used. Every piece I ever write subsequently will be downvoted into oblivion.

      Get real Spenser.

      1 point
      • Mr FannybatterMr Fannybatter, 2 months ago

        I wasn’t sure about the downvote button, but you’ve just sold it to me.

        4 points
      • Oliver Swig, 2 months ago

        You just don't like the fact that everyone on this site is overly liberal, can't take negative criticism and therefore won't support your views. I think freedom of speech shouldn't ever be censored, even by the mods. Sucks that the scene is not objectively balanced enough to give you the votes but who knows.

        0 points
        • Eli SchiffEli Schiff, 2 months ago

          You just don't like the fact that everyone on this site is overly liberal

          If they were liberal that would be helpful actually, for my purposes.

          ... can't take negative criticism and therefore won't support your views

          True, they can't take negative criticism, but I don't need them to support my views. Just not cooperate to scrub my views from the public ledger.

          I think freedom of speech shouldn't ever be censored, even by the mods.

          Respect that.

          -1 points
    • Nacho ToledoNacho Toledo, 2 months ago

      Yup... that and also you killed the beautiful and subtle animation when voting. It feels very unresponsive now :(

      -1 points
  • Steven CavinsSteven Cavins, 2 months ago

    I’m never commenting again—with great power comes great anxiety.

    48 points
  • Matthew BlodeMatthew Blode, 2 months ago

    I think we need a sort by controversial feature now

    21 points
  • Mahdi FarraMahdi Farra, 2 months ago

    Can't be the only who downvoted this

    15 points
  • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 2 months ago

    can't downvote sponsored posts huh.

    14 points
    • Spenser Wolz, 2 months ago

      The sponsored posts help keep this site alive to be honest, they're very important. We only work with companies we believe benefit our community or things our community would possibly be interested in.

      If for any reason you see something you feel shouldn't be there-feel free to email hello@designernews.co.

      19 points
      • Gavin McFarlandGavin McFarland, 2 months ago

        But this goes back to the point about what the down arrow vote means? You say it's for unwanted content and spam etc, but majority of users are using it for content they disagree with or dislike. Can the users of this site not give their opinion on sponsored content? Doesn't seem right. That means that sponsored content no matter what will always have a better chance of topping user led content.

        5 points
        • Nick NobleNick Noble, 2 months ago

          This, exactly. I actually like some of the sponsored content here, but some of it is completely irrelevant. If "sponsored posts" are posts, they should behave like other posts. Right now they are above the law and that's not cool.

          1 point
  • Craig RozynskiCraig Rozynski, 2 months ago

    If downvoting is for unwanted content and spam, what's the 'Report' function for?

    11 points
  • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, 2 months ago

    Found a UX issue:

    • If you vote on a post on the overview, the arrow turns from blue to grey
    • If you vote on a comment, the arrow turns from grey to blue

    I just downvoted this post by accident, after having it upvoted before and forgot about it.

    5 points
    • Filipe GonçalvesFilipe Gonçalves, 2 months ago

      Good point, Florian.

      Another constructive feedback: if you downvote something, you can't undo it. You can change the downvote for an upvote, and vice-versa. But you can't remove the vote.

      1 point
  • Pasquale D'SilvaPasquale D'Silva, 1 month ago

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    5 points
  • Adam WAdam W, 2 months ago

    We believe the philosophy of Downvoting should be mainly for unwanted content, spam, etc, and not for disagreeing with a comment.

    While I appreciate distinction, I have a hard time separating the latter from the former. Agreement/disagreement is inherent in the function of the voting.

    5 points
  • Andrew McWattersAndrew McWatters, 1 month ago

    The biggest issue with this is it changes the community from being one which fosters raising everyone up, to one which pulls others down.

    4 points
  • Gavin McFarlandGavin McFarland, 2 months ago

    Down voting is already being used to disagree or dislike something, so I don't think it will be used as you expect it to be unfortunately.

    I would be more interested to see users being rewarded for valuable contributions to a discussion. Lots of users on DN have made numerous valuable comments to posts but still have ZERO karma.

    Update: My point has already been proven on my own comment. I never said I disagree with down voting based on opinion, I'm just saying people will use it for whatever they think it means, which is likely opinion.

    3 points
  • Martin BavioMartin Bavio, 1 month ago

    Downvoting. All. The. Things.

    2 points
  • Agnimitra Pathak, 2 months ago

    I know that Report is used for unwanted content, spam etc. Why would I use downvote for the same. Downvote/Upvote primarily means measuring quality of content. Its also a way to disagree on something so foolish on which you don't want to comment and waste your energies.

    2 points
  • Jordan BJordan B, 2 months ago

    The up and down arrows are super close together on mobile. At least here in the comments section. Maybe I just have fat fingers :/

    2 points
  • Ken Em, 2 months ago

    Thanks!

    2 points
  • Javier-Simon Cuello, 2 months ago

    the philosophy of Downvoting should be mainly for unwanted content, spam, etc

    I thought the "Report" option was just for that…

    2 points
  • Kirill ZakharovKirill Zakharov, 2 months ago

    Good move imo. Way too many self-promotional portfolio posts lately.

    Some small feedback: I'd tweak the contrast ratio of the upvote/downvote arrows. It's hard to see what you've upvoted, especially on older screens (or with older eyes).

    arrows

    2 points
    • Ken Em, 2 months ago

      This. The difference is also difficult to see for those of us with older eyes.

      1 point
  • Ken Em, 2 months ago

    I think it's unrealistic to ask or expect downvoting to NOT be used as a tool for disliking something. If upvoting means "hey I like this thing", then downvoting means "hey I don't like this thing". I mean, it's right there in the name. To vote for something means you are either for or against it. For flagging spam and such, we already have the separate report function.

    1 point
  • Gonçalo MoraisGonçalo Morais, 1 month ago

    Now we only need to make the ▲and ▼ buttons bigger. And emojis!

    1 point
  • Michael RurkaMichael Rurka, 1 month ago

    Love it. thank you! The lag between click/tap and it turning blue feels dated. Easy fix. Would make it a lot better.

    0 points
  • Nic TrentNic Trent, 2 months ago

    I love this idea just to see what happens. Maybe less negative comments?

    0 points
  • Charlie PrattCharlie Pratt, 1 month ago

    Why do sponsored posts have only an upvote? Should they have both? Or none?

    0 points
  • Daniel GoldenDaniel Golden, 2 months ago

    I'm so glad to see the team come through on their promise to continue maintaining the site. I hope this thread from this post doesn't discourage you too much. As I'm sure you know, you can't please everyone. People have been clamouring for the ability to downvote on DN for years and I believe it's a welcome addition.

    0 points
  • Phil RauPhil Rau, 2 months ago

    Looking a bit strange on Safari relative to Chrome. I assume Chrome is the intended behavior.

    https://imgur.com/4VtDdhR

    0 points
  • Dave BowkerDave Bowker, 1 month ago

    Perhaps just change the arrow to a ban symbol (https://fontawesome.com/icons/ban?style=solid) and separate it from the upvote by some distance?

    Your intentions for the use of the button then would be a lot clearer.

    0 points
  • Lewis FludeLewis Flude, 2 months ago

    I'm excited about this. I used to come here all the time, but as of recent there have been a lot of articles, that while some might derive some value from them, I'd consider them blog spam. I'm hoping that downvotes helps the community here help shape this into the place they want it to be.

    -1 points
  • N SN S, 2 months ago

    @Spenser Wolz I think you guys are doing great work. I do think there is a need to highlight how downvotes are used in other sites and the potential for abuse, however I think we as a community can try to solve for this by being considerate. If this is treated as a goal that we can all work towards achieving I believe we can get there. However to write downvoting off immediately is only realising a self fulfilling prophecy.

    We all appreciate the community that DN facilitates and adding tools designed to uplift and grow the narrative should be acknowledged as steps forward that will only be successful if we try and take them together. If we fail along the way thats OK too, but this shouldn't prevent us from trying. Please keep up the good stuff.

    -1 points
  • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, 2 months ago

    there is nothing wrong with disagreeing, I don't understand why people are so afraid of downvote buttons? Of course it's gonna be used for expressing opinion! Exclusively even. You can't have an upvote button that expresses opinion but a downvote button that does not. There already is the Report-Function for reporting spam.

    -2 points
    • Oliver Swig, 2 months ago

      I don't understand why people are so afraid of downvote buttons

      because feelings.

      0 points
  • Martin BavioMartin Bavio, 1 month ago

    WTF is happening with the order here?

    Image

    -2 points
  • Wesley HainesWesley Haines, 2 months ago

    Can I downvote past zero?

    -82 points