Okay. One more design revolution. Give us a mix of Webflow + Figma, that's enough.
ps: watched the video, watched a lot of transitions, but nothing is clear about a product at all
Phase is completely different from both of the mentioned tools ;) It's gonna get more clear how exacly Phase is going to work once we launch beta in a couple of months from now. Keep tuned for updates in the meanwhile!
How do you plan to support technical application architecture? That is really the key. If you can't somehow generate designs into code that conform to whatever the production tech stack is, there is no way to deliver on the inherent promises of the tool.
I'm pessimistic that any one out-of-the-box solution can be predictive and smart enough to realize that vision. Generating CSS values from a mockup is great for landing pages - what happens when you're tasked with designing new features for a legacy software system built on ASP.net with bootstrap 3.x and whatever other umpteen libraries and APIs are half-baked into the UI? Does your team feel confident that Phase will be able to reconcile this?
“If you can’t somehow generate designs into code that conform to whatever the production tech stack is, there is no way to deliver on the inherent promises of the tool.” - yep, you’re 100% right. This is what “generate code” products never seem to have understood before.
In export to code the idea is to pass the design’s raw data (well structured) into an export script. We’ll ship some pre-built export scripts, but you can create your own too to customize it any way you want. This way you can get exactly the code you want on the other side. If you’re a coder, it’s really more accurate to think of it as a build pipeline than a traditional export.
Sounds a bit like how game dev works almost. Very interesting. I'm rooting for you guys!
I'll take one Sketch + Principle + Webflow please.
Looks good. A couple of questions, if you don’t mind:
- Is it colour managed?
- Are you VC funded?
I'm so glad you're the one voice out there fighting for better color management!
No colour management = tool probably shouldn’t be used. A professional design tool needs to display, import and export colours that are accurate.
Is that also the case with browser based tools?
If a technology can’t provide it, that technology shouldn’t be used for the tool. Browser based tools can do it in a limited capacity, depending on what you’re after and how the app is built.
Morning from London! Sorry for a slow reply. On a different timezone. To answer your questions: 1. Is it color managed? - Eventually, yep. We’re focused on some other things for v1 but color management is coming ;) 2. Are you VC funded? - Yup! At least a bit. We raised a few hundred thousand to build a small team and a prototype last fall. We’re raising more now (which we expect to be done in a few weeks) then our team will grow from the current 6ppl to about 12-15ppl.
Thanks for the info. :D
Signed up for beta but, as with Invision studio, I have strong skepticism about this being able to deliver on these promises. All-in-one apps tend to over promise and under deliver when it comes to the details that matter in each workflow. The "frankenstein" of different apps is not really a problem I see worth solving because applications specializing in different areas of design means they can treat those areas with special care and don't have to make compromises for other workflows.
But a little part of me is hopeful that you can blow my mind so good luck!
And I'm an inveterate tinkerer.
already have a feature request: please get rid of that same old color tool every other app uses as well. Cmon guys. I want a nice big swatch palette with description, hex and some sorting functionality. Its not 1993 anymore. https://i.imgur.com/b20FgEb.png (screenshot from phase yt video)
Couldn’t agree more - that colorpicker is something we just threw in for the prototype, but we want to fix this. We have some ideas about how but we’d love to hear yours. Any links or suggestions?
Looks like Phase is a rebranded version of Vectr after it was acquired by Inmagine Labs. https://twitter.com/eli_schiff/status/961413452152655872
Unless you’ve seen and used both apps yourself, I don’t think it’s fair and right to call it just “rebranded” Vectr.
Didn’t Invision acquire Macaw? can we also say that Invision Studio is just a rebranded Macaw ?
Reading your tweets, it appears to me that you may have personal issue with them. why so much hate and negativity?
Nope it’s not a reskin of Vectr - it’s 100% new product, new code, new concept, etc. About 30% of the team building Phase use to work on Vectr but Phase doesn’t use anything from Vectr, and is entirely new. Phase is also working 100% independently from Inmagine, though Inmagine did invest money in Phase to help get us started.
Very cool. Best of luck with it!
10/10 for the promise. good luck with the execution.
Well, as a designer, I’m not going to complain about having yet, another design tool as an option. So, bring it on.
Congratulations on building something - it’s certainly ambitious.
As with others, I meet your post and claims, hopeful, but with a high degree of skepticism. However, I’ll certainly give it a try. It looks promising.
I feel like if you’re going to go public with “Digital Design Reinvented” - you have to get a little more specific or you waste the opportunity when you have our attention.
When Invision Studio went public with announcements there were at least video snippets of the product in action. I could imagine myself using the product.
Kinda like - don’t tell us what you’re gonna do with marketing splash, just show us and let the product do the talking. The concept is familiar (adaptive, symbols, etc., etc.,) - yet, the product is cryptic and abstract. Seems like a Dribbble shot of a white Sketch UI. I have no connection.
Regardless, just trying to be helpful and give feedback, wishing you all well and I’m looking forward to trying out the product.
Looks interesting. But I think we should stop using phrases like: "Redesign the design process" or "Digital Design Reinvented".
We hope you’ll join us in building the simple, visual, intuitive Digital Design product that we’ve always dreamed of.
Join us @ Phase in the real digital design revolution!
Beta list opened now!
Happy to hear what you think guys!
Hey congrats for the announcement. Looking really promising.
I actually went ahead and gave my name and email address to get early access. Right when I submitted these private information, a loading bar was displayed while a promotion message appeared (something like "share and get 3 months free"). I was wondering if the loading bar was used as a technique to get more people to share? There is no reason I know of that a website needs a loading bar when submitting a form. Submitting such little amount of information to a server is pretty much instantaneous.
I felt a bit manipulated right there :p
Glad to hear you've signed up! You're right that the server's pretty instant. It's a fake delay that I put in there butttt it wasn't meant as any dirty a marketing tactic. When we tried the form and it instantly disappeared, it felt like it was broken. Some people didn't feel sure it went through. So we just really quickly (like, in 10min) threw a second page in there just to show that it worked.
The marketing manipulation feeling was totally unintentional - just didn't want people to feel the form was broken so threw in a quick fix. Sorry about that ;)
I see. Maybe a confirmation message that the submission went through is a faster and more standard (accessible too) approach :) Anyway, thank you for your answer. Good luck with launch!
This is a fairly common pattern in UX design, mainly done because people tend not to expect things to be instantaneous.
Yup, which is why I asked my question ;) It can be done manipulatively. Facebook used the same technique when saving privacy settings if you remember.
Looks really good!
Kind of wish people would stop reinventing things though.
When did we start spending more time struggling with our tools, than we spend solving design problems? Than we spend, actually doing design?
Looks rad. 2018 the year designers design... and export to real code.
They missed a chance to name their tool YADT... Yet Another Design tool.
We debated YADT 6.0 but it turned out to be copyrighted.
This is going to be an interesting year!
Looks promising! Could you elaborate on the distinction of Phase vs what we know of Invision Studio?
I would echo the same sentiment and question.
From what we’re seen of InVision studio, it seems like they’re taking the pre-made interactions approach again. That approach is never going to be as powerful as we need, and in the PR the InVision CEO himself even admits that they don’t really know how to get the full level of power in interactions that code tools give.
Nick, are their plans for deep extensibility from launch? (Plugins, API, etc)
Not from the first day of launch, no. We are however building these into the code from day one, so that once an ecosystem beings to grow around the product we can release these ;)
I was worried this was going to be just another Sketch clone, but it really does look like they are taking some of the best bits from each tool while adding the much needed actual responsive design.
Also good to hear they care about branching AND collaborating.
Where are the other design tools discussing this stuff?
Congratulations on your announcement and good luck on your launch!
YOU get a design tool. and YOU get a design tool. and YOU get a design tool!
Looks nice, though it's hard to comment more without seeing a real demo. If it really works, I would use it. Best of luck!
Nice project :)
Looks promising! Just signed up for early access. 2018 seems to be the year of new design and motion applications, looking forward to everything...
Looks interesting. A few questions
- Does this handle responsive design? as in components that can interact and respond to one another dependant upon screen size.
- Does it have advanced typography settings?
- What about colour management?
- Are prototypes ran from the app or are they able to be shared publicly?
“Does this handle responsive design? as in components that can interact and respond to one another dependant upon screen size.” Yep! We’ll have more info about exactly how in the coming weeks in detail, but the gist is with: states, layout, and a dynamically sized workspace.
“Does it have advanced typography settings?” Oh yes. Not in v1. v1 is really focused just on the interactions. But we have really, really big plans here for the future.
“What about colour management?” Same as above, not in v1 but it’s coming for sure :wink:
“Are prototypes ran from the app or are they able to be shared publicly?” Both!
Thanks for the info and best of luck with the project.
A new tool for design, so many tools, please decide the leader dear community... I can't pay for all of them.