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Why so serious, DN?

3 years ago from

Yesterday, I've posted a new story. It was a link to an image on Imgur. Today, the story is gone, vanished, poof!

The Image, as some of you may recall, was a satire for Apple's new Home-Button showing the new button design as a dongle to the new iPhone. :)

I'm familiar with DN's guidelines and it's not the first time I've seen, or posted, stories that are funny yet design related which brings me to my question -

Why so serious, DN? Why censor an image that many of us found it relevant?

Disclaimer: I'm over 1k karma points so I can care less about that. I do care about censorship and its consequences, here and in other communities I'm involved with.

40 comments

  • Dylan SmithDylan Smith, 3 years ago

    You used an i.imgur.com link (direct image), which Imgur killed in quick order. They do this to prevent people from leeching off their hosting. You need to post a link to the album that includes the photo.

    No one is censoring your shitty meme.

    128 points
    • Joshua TurnerJoshua Turner, 3 years ago

      BUT MY FREE SPEECH IS UNDER ATTACK

      18 points
    • Vlad Danilov, 3 years ago

      Is it a hard change considering how well-known Imgur is?

      https://i.imgur.com/z1CraVy.jpg -> https://imgur.com/z1CraVy

      The post (cache) was removed without notice. This is the problem. Not the quality of the post.

      3 points
    • Daniel De LaneyDaniel De Laney, 3 years ago

      It would be nice to allow image uploads in posts and comments on DN to prevent this constant problem with fickle offsite hosts.

      2 points
    • Sol Ray, 3 years ago

      Cheers, it just wasn't clear a broken link was the reason for deletion. Especially since a working link was posted in the comments and I don't think the Title/Link is editable by a user.

      6 points
    • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 3 years ago

      Yikes.

      0 points
  • Adam Wolf, 3 years ago

    We are not on 9gag here...

    37 points
  • Account deleted 3 years ago

    I'm a mod here and I didn't kill it, but was close to be honest. It had nothing to do with being serious/silly/censorship.

    The fact is, your link (which everyone goes to off the story page) was dead within a couple hours of your original post. Clicking to an error page is a crappy experience, plain and simple.

    26 points
    • Adam Kirkwood, 3 years ago

      Simple act of curation, not an act of censorship.

      I'm glad there is some kind of content curation going on at all.

      6 points
  • Joe Baker, 3 years ago

    Think you may be looking at this from the wrong perspective...

    I saw your post. It just pulled up a white page. For some reason it became a dead link. Perhaps a Mod had a similar experience and removed it.

    18 points
    • Adam Hayman, 3 years ago

      Same happened to me. I knew what it was supposed to be but all I got when clicking the link was a white page.

      1 point
  • Ken Em, 3 years ago

    This "censorship" stuff is silly really. DN is a privately owned website. They can remove content for whatever reason they wish. I saw your post and the link was dead for me as well. I'm not surprised it was removed. What's the point of keeping a dead link around?

    12 points
    • Umit KayabasUmit Kayabas, 3 years ago

      "DN is a privately owned website. They can remove content for whatever reason they wish."

      ummm, no.

      0 points
      • Joey Prijs, 3 years ago

        Would you care to elaborate on that?

        6 points
      • Steve SunderlandSteve Sunderland, 3 years ago

        yes

        3 points
      • Todd SielingTodd Sieling, 3 years ago

        Weak.

        But it touches on a good point about online communities. Legally DN can take down whatever content for whatever reason. It's one thing to have the right, but how you use it makes a difference, too. If DN were wholly arbitrary and non-communicative about content removal, people can't get a handle on the norms and rules and it becomes a community-killing practice. Even if you take out free-speech idealism like Reddit aspired to, it becomes a sometimes-tricky line to walk for any moderators.

        That said, DN does a good job of moderating in my mind. I see lots of posts I don't care for, but none that totally offend me and make me less likely to return. So props to mods if you see this.

        0 points
  • Ken Em, 3 years ago

    My experience with those who cry censorship has been the same as those who cry free speech. They don't fully understand either one.

    11 points
    • Alex Curtis, 3 years ago

      Yesterday on the news they were interviewing one of the protestors from the Charlottsville protests and the protestor said "Freedom of speech doesn't exist anymore", and I thought to myself, You are sitting here expressing your inaccurate radical opinions to the news media which is getting re-broadcasted all around the country into millions of homes while publicly protesting the same opinions, while being protected by the police (all of whom most likely disagree with your opinions) and you haven't been arrested, thrown in jail or killed yet. If that isn't freedom of speech then I don't know what is.

      He is literally using his free speech to complain that he has no free speech.

      8 points
      • Ken Em, 3 years ago

        That proves my point. :) Some of these people aren't getting it.

        2 points
  • Daniel PapeDaniel Pape, 3 years ago

    Can we at least acknowledge how zeitgeisty it is starting a debate about internet censorship over a broken link :-P

    8 points
  • Jonathon HalliwellJonathon Halliwell, 3 years ago

    Best shitpost 2017

    7 points
  • Interested Curious, 3 years ago

    It was a broken link calm down.

    3 points
  • Gabriele CirulliGabriele Cirulli, 3 years ago

    I reported the post as "I don't think this should be on DN" when I first saw it. That's not why it got deleted, but I'm surprised to see not many people feel the same as me.

    While I realise that if this is what the majority of the community wants/likes then we should go for it, I personally feel this kind of content is not at home on DN.

    When I first saw the post, I clicked on it without looking at the URL thinking that, based on the title, it might be some speculation/leak post regarding upcoming Apple products. I felt very annoyed when I found out it was just a meme.

    I personally come here to find out about new products (as long as tangentially related to design, which is why Apple falls under that definition for me), read insightful articles (ones you might actually learn from, not the usual "Should Designers Code" type of thing) and even look at the occasional portfolio redesign.

    I don't think we benefit as a community turning this news site into a meme board. It dilutes the quality of the rest of the content, and sets a precedent and a standard for what other people can expect to see and post. In the long term, it may drive down the quality of the content found here (which I honestly think is already not at a high point).

    I'm not going to go activist over a meme, but I thought it'd be worth voicing my opinion on how I feel about DN.

    2 points
  • Todd SielingTodd Sieling, 3 years ago

    Good reminder for interactive design in all this: when someone lacks visibility into why something happened, they often take it personally.

    2 points
  • Alex Curtis, 3 years ago

    Well for what its worth, I found the post really funny and I copied the image locally and reposted it to my Twitter followers and they got a kick out of it too. It was the source of many retweets and likes/faves/stars/hearts (or whatever they are called this week). Your efforts did not die in vain!

    2 points
  • Thomas Michael SemmlerThomas Michael Semmler, 3 years ago

    There is no censorship at place. It's a technical reason, as someone explained already. Though I would not be opposed to having DN filtering out meaningless content as a rule of thumb.

    2 points
  • Ryan -Ryan -, 3 years ago

    Sigh. Guys the link became dead. Simple as that.

    2 points
    • Sol Ray, 3 years ago

      Still, IMHO it's not a good reason to delete a thread without an attempt to correct it or notify the OP. Consider the information in the comments section that other may find useful as well.

      0 points
      • James LaneJames Lane, 3 years ago

        Whilst we do correct posts where possible (e.g. spellings, grammar etc.), it cannot be us who changes a link you have posted... especially on imgur! What if we get the link wrong? Would you then create a post saying that we changed your link too?

        FYI I didn't delete your post, so much so, I liked it and gave it an 'up'. I do, however, agree with everyone else. If your link was dead, then no point keeping it on.

        3 points
  • Cristian MoiseiCristian Moisei, 3 years ago

    Hey why did that post get removed? It was funny and it was design related.

    Edit: Joe makes a fair point.

    2 points
  • ishan shara, 3 years ago

    Seriously, even I agree on the censorship part. Banning websites, declaring links a spam and terming content poor while many people found the same relevant on other platforms. This has become a norm on DN.

    1 point
    • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, 3 years ago

      Maybe people on other platforms just have lower standards ...

      3 points
    • James LaneJames Lane, 3 years ago

      Ishan, we have a set of moderator guidelines that we follow, it's not just a case of deleting what we want! Most posts that we question are shared between the lot of us and we decide between us if it should stay or go.

      1 point
    • Todd SielingTodd Sieling, 3 years ago

      If it is a norm, it's working for me. I generally like places that have an editorial voice because it means I'm not a human garbage filter. I might not always agree, but I also don't feel I always have to be consulted on these choices, nor do I want to see whatever comes in laissez faire. What you might slur as censorship I take as part of a service that I appreciate, because the people running it value my attention.

      1 point
  • Dario Vaccaro, 3 years ago

    Lol come on dude. Get off your high horse and consider other options. The comments here clearly lay out what happened

    0 points