35 comments

  • Laurens SpangenbergLaurens Spangenberg, 3 years ago

    The use of brighter colors and semi-non standard UI doesn't seem necessary to me. I believe that the use of standard MacOS UI is actually what helps makes Sketch especially stand out compared to their competitors simply because their competitors are precisely using non-standard UIs.

    In addition this characteristic is what I think makes Sketch also feel more trustworthy.

    Edit: Clarified the last statement

    28 points
    • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 3 years ago

      In addition this characteristic is what makes Sketch also feel more trustworthy.

      not the feeling i get. to me, it suggests they didn't put much thought or care into their interface. the toolbar, for example, is literally just a junk drawer filled with the entire app.

      that being said, this redesign is mostly aesthetic and i agree that the result is a bit too surface-level to feel like a necessary improvement.

      5 points
      • Cory MalnarickCory Malnarick, 3 years ago

        but isn't that exactly what the toolbar should be – a fully customizable drawer for your preferred tools?

        4 points
        • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 3 years ago

          i don't think so, no. a fully customizable UI generally leads chaos and a longer learning curve.

          Sketch can get away with a this UI because it's competition is much, much worse... and most people just use keyboard shortcuts anyway.

          0 points
    • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, 3 years ago

      I agree. Standard UI is much better than invented UI components.

      2 points
    • Weston VierreggerWeston Vierregger, 3 years ago

      Is there other software you use daily that leverages "native Mac UI"?

      For instance, my currently open apps are: Finder, iMessage, Outlook, Adobe PS, Adobe AI, Spotify, Chrome, Slack, PDF Expert.

      I think the only apps here we can classify as using Mac native UI are Finder and iMessage, for me.

      This point about Sketch using Mac native UI that always gets brought up intrigues me because not only do I rarely, if ever, use large native Mac apps (Numbers, Pages, Keynote) so the UX/UI treatments don't look any more "baseline" than anything else. And, not only that, but the UX/UI for Mac apps actually isn't that great to me either... E.g. spawning an entirely new window on "Save As..." continues to surprise and confuse me.

      So, really what I'm getting at is: why is a native Mac UI more efficient for the user, if the user spends most of their time in apps like Chrome/Firefox, Atom/Sublime, Adobe/Affinity, Slack/HipChat, C4D/Maya, etc. – Mac native UI isn't really a significant benefit at all.

      2 points
      • David ThornDavid Thorn, 3 years ago

        Exactly. I don't get the desire to keep everything mac specific in the UI.

        I fundamentally hate many of the ways things are done natively. The default color picker was a deal breaker and before they switched to something useful, I never converted to Sketch.

        0 points
      • Laurens SpangenbergLaurens Spangenberg, 3 years ago

        I enjoy Sketch's UI the way it is, although that's just my personal preference. I should have clarified the last sentence as that.

        My personal preferences aside however, I don't see how using a custom UI would necessarily make things work better. Obviously better UI patterns and widgets should be used if they work better than their native counterparts which Sketch already does in some places, but I don't agree with the reasoning behind changing the aesthetics/visual components of the UI itself (e.g the window chrome being lighter) as presented in this article.

        0 points
  • Joel CalifaJoel Califa, 3 years ago

    I really enjoyed this case study. These are actually some great changes. Nice job!

    18 points
  • John PJohn P, 3 years ago

    Why redesign standard OSX menus?

    7 points
  • Robin RaszkaRobin Raszka, 3 years ago

    Even though there are some nice bits in the article, this part:

    In this case, for practical reasons, I’m only taking into account my feedback. It’s not ideal, but let’s say that for the purpose of this exercise, it’s just OK, because I don’t have a team to do it right.

    Discredits whatever comes after and reads like a contradictory word salad.

    Nobody cares what you think is broken FOR YOU, really. Everybody has an opinion and in their opinion it's the best opinion. So if it's an exercise, cool, keep it to yourself, learn from it and improve, don't seek attention and likes — that makes it something else which it isn't

    Also, I absolutely hate custom UI elements in macOS apps.

    6 points
    • Martin BavioMartin Bavio, 3 years ago

      You must be fun at parties.

      17 points
    • Cory MalnarickCory Malnarick, 3 years ago

      Weird. I cared. It's a well written, thoughtful article on a designer's personal take on potential improvements.

      5 points
    • Michael RurkaMichael Rurka, 3 years ago

      So negative, fam.

      I cared. I think it's an interesting take on Sketch. No one is pitching it to Sketch or anything. You can chill.

      7 points
    • Tyler GalpinTyler Galpin, 3 years ago

      "Keep it to yourself" says the guy who just lambasted somebody for posting something to a news aggregator.

      4 points
    • Paul ScrivensPaul Scrivens, 3 years ago

      The thing is we need more designers sharing their work ALONG with their thought process behind it all. Designers also need to be promoting the shit out of these writings so other people can gather inspiration, provide feedback, and grow further.

      You should be giving props to the man for taking the time to even walkthrough what he did instead of blasting him down unless you really just want a design community that only has links when a new version is Sketch is released.

      5 points
    • David ThornDavid Thorn, 3 years ago

      I hate how macOS apps are organized, so I welcome custom UI elements.

      1 point
  • Ron SchramaRon Schrama, 3 years ago

    Some very nice points and well written! And respect for someone daring to to re-design a heavily used design tool such as Sketch. I like how he made the top bar versatile, as a lot of the action's I got there are only used for 1 sort of element most of the times.

    However you can clearly see it's redesigned based on own experiences. For example: with the extra white space in the right bar (box 3) it is made for big screens. It will most likely turn into a scrollable area when working on a laptop. Which makes it less easier to use. While the extra white space for position/size etc, isn't really necessary as most people just tab between those or use muscle memory to click on the required field.

    Oh, and I'm surprised he got accessibility issues with guidelines. Easily usable with rulers. Because, i am not sure about putting elements on the canvas it self. it should be clean to avoid interference with the artboards.

    4 points
  • Michael RurkaMichael Rurka, 3 years ago

    I really enjoyed the folder lines. Imo, something Sketch could definitely improve on.

    Total aside.. I wish we could customize the hotkeys, for real, like in Illustrator >.<

    2 points
  • John Jackson, 3 years ago

    I'd really like to see a dark theme for Sketch.

    2 points
  • Carey SpiesCarey Spies, 3 years ago

    I enjoyed reading this article for how much it made me think. I hadn't considered till now how most of the "quality of life" improvements Bohemian could make, for me, are functional or under-the-hood changes. Not being able to swap out a nested symbol if it's a different size, performance problems with too many nested symbols, symbols being duplicated when copying from a different file, renaming a layer name to "Mask" when you use it as a mask, just to name a few.

    This article largely talked about visual updates, which, while nice, I couldn't see improving my day-to-day that much. Moreover, I believe it is possible to do some user research even with small side projects such as these. Talk to some power users, talk to some first time users. Discover the real customer problems and solve those, otherwise its just an article about self-design.

    1 point
  • Cory MalnarickCory Malnarick, 3 years ago

    So, everyone here knows about Alt + Cmd + T, yeah?

    1 point
  • xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx, 3 years ago

    i prefer Sketch to look a little utilitarian, helps me focus on my own design work, and because I am already used to working with native MacOS interfaces the program doesn't get in the way of my workflow.

    0 points