34 comments

  • Shawn Cheris, 4 years ago (edited 4 years ago )

    Hi there. I lead the team that worked on this project. Someone who runs this site brought this post to my attention.

    I was a little bummed at the negativity here but the confusion I can understand. The Behance post focuses on the work itself and admittedly doesn't do much to explain our organization. We've been asked to do an AMA on here at some point in the near future, so I'm just going to offer this one post to clear up the broad points and will save further responses for later.

    Adobe XD (Experience Design) is/was a global design organization that's been around for more than a decade. There are about 160 of us and we work on nearly every Adobe product and service (of which there are more than 100, if you can believe it). This work crosses Creative Cloud, Marketing Cloud, and Document Cloud, and is absolutely massive in scope.

    A few years ago, we were heavily involved in creating a product that was then called "Project Comet". When that project was mature enough to release as a beta, our Brand Strategy team thought long and hard about what to call it and, in the end, decided that "Experience Design" was the best name for that product since that’s precisely what it’s intended use is.

    As you can imagine, that led to some confusion here. When someone talked about the "XD Team" it was no longer clear who they were referring to. Adobe is a company of around 15,000 people, so it’s extremely important that our organization be easy to talk about. Though we liked XD as a name and had a strong emotional investment in it, it was no longer functioning the way we needed it to.

    Beyond that, most of our friends working in large centralized design organizations at companies like Google, Facebook, and the like were simply calling themselves “[Company] Design” and we decided it made sense to follow suit. This also simplifies things from a recruiting and outreach perspective within our community.

    The project on Behance is meant as a simple process document to show how we went about creating a new visual identity for ourselves as we moved from being called XD to Adobe Design. We wanted to focus on the design process itself and not the underlying business reasons why we needed to do it, since people mostly go to Behance to see beautiful things not read about the strategy behind it.

    Most of the work was done by one designer, Anny Chen, over the course of a few months. I manage this team along with a few others and helped with some creative direction as did the other two designers who are credited on the project. We had regular formal and informal critiques throughout the process and helped steer a little bit, but Anny worked the process and got this result.

    I hope this clears up some of the background on who we are and what this project was about. Thank you for your interest.

    15 points
    • Lewis FludeLewis Flude, 4 years ago

      This absolutely clears things up, thanks for posting here. Adobe Design sounds like a fun place to be. I can't imagine what a challenge it is to bridge across 100+ products simultaneously. Looking forward to hearing more from you and the team!

      3 points
    • Michael RurkaMichael Rurka, 4 years ago

      Thanks so much Shawn for your formal response. Bit bummed (more annoyed) by this shallow negativity as well. And whether or not I like the final product, I'm glad nonetheless you guys decided to post it on Behance for others to see and talk about :) Again, thank you!

      2 points
    • Connor NorvellConnor Norvell, 4 years ago

      Any chance of getting a download for those wallpapers?

      2 points
    • Juan F. Mena, 4 years ago

      Thanks for posting Shawn, and also thanks for sharing this honest and detailed explanation on how things played out for your team.

      I don't share the negativity that other designers have expressed here, but I do see the confusion that Adobe XD (the software) and Adobe Experience Design (the design team) generates. Project Comet was such an amazing name, I can't believe that the name change had also an impact on this.

      If anything, I hope this serves as a valuable lesson to Adobe's Brand Strategy team, as having a clear communication is crucial within Adobe as it is with the outside world.

      Last note: don't let the negativity from other designers stop you and your team from sharing your work and from coming forward to talk about it, this is what this community needs, not sarcastic-toxic feedback. So thank you again for posting here.

      3 points
    • Alberto OrsiniAlberto Orsini, 4 years ago

      Hi Shawn, thank you for your response. I also don't share a negative feeling about this, but welcome the clarification.

      One thing that I'd like to ask from your perspective is about a statement at the beginning of the post, "we believed it was time to streamline our name and align with industry standards. After consulting with stakeholders across the board, we decided to rebrand ourselves as Adobe Design. We believe that this new name will resonate more with our external audience"

      We increasingly live in a world where we understand the importance of our audience, and where we hone in on such statements and try to change that very sentence into something like "We reached out to our external audience and after listening to them it was clear that we needed to streamline our name and align with industry standards. We convinced the board that it was time to rebrand ourselves to Adobe Design and have already received a lot of positive feedback."

      My point is, how do you see cultural shift in big organizations and how it may affect the way we approach these changes?

      0 points
  • Duncan RussellDuncan Russell, 4 years ago

    For over 10 years, our organization had been called Adobe Experience Design.

    Has it? I'm mad confused here – what's actually been rebranded? Is it just an internal group at Adobe, or does it also include the XD app, or...?

    11 points
    • Cristian MoiseiCristian Moisei, 4 years ago

      Glad I'm not the only one who has no idea who these guys are.

      4 points
    • Roy AbbinkRoy Abbink, 4 years ago (edited 4 years ago )

      I guess it's a Adobe certified course company or something? I don't see the official Adobe logo anywhere.

      -Edit-

      This is what their Behance team description says:

      Adobe Design provides experience-led innovation. We are a team of makers that set a premium on workmanship. We fight for the customer. We collaborate and disrupt. We reward risk taking. Innovation is our job. We are the experience design team at adobe.

      1 point
      • Duncan RussellDuncan Russell, 4 years ago

        Hrm, I think, confusingly, that they had nothing to do with Adobe Experience Design CC then. They just shared the same name, within the same organisation.

        0 points
      • Adam Nelson, 4 years ago

        Wow, that description describes next to nothing.

        3 points
  • Noah MaasNoah Maas, 4 years ago (edited 4 years ago )

    For sure spend more time on the actual app and not this crap. I do not give a shit about your water bottle, pencil, laptop sticker or other schwag. Make a good app first then I might be excited about wearing something that represents it. FFS.

    8 points
    • Matthew R. MillerMatthew R. Miller, 4 years ago

      Here, I made a list of alternatives for you. A few of these even handle Adobe file formats. Maybe one of these will become a shining beacon of productivity for you and help clean up some of the vitriol in this community.

      10 points
      • M. AppelmanM. Appelman, 4 years ago

        +1 for Affinity Designer.

        2 points
      • Noah MaasNoah Maas, 4 years ago

        I am just fine with Photoshop / Illustrator. I just wish Adobe XD or Adobe Design or whatever the decide to call it at launch was better than it is. I was very excited to see an app that might bring a lot of the things Sketch is great at to Windows and Mac. Thanks for the list, I have looked at / used all of those except for Canva. For my work I unfortunately have to stay in Windows. I suspect if I was making a new lifestyle app for iOS most of these apps would be amazing! Sorry if I upset you with my honest opinion about their identity redesign.

        2 points
    • Connor Tomas O'BrienConnor Tomas O'Brien, 4 years ago

      As far as I know, this isn't the team directly responsible for the Adobe XD app, but the team that works across all apps to create Adobe's UI language? Adobe had a team called 'Experience Design' that predated XD... now, it seems as though they're getting around to rebranding because Adobe has subsequently launched a product with the same name.

      The fact that I can't actually figure out how Adobe Design fits with the rest of Adobe makes this a pretty confusing identity, though. I still can't work out whether Adobe Design is an internal Adobe team or an outward-facing organisation, and the branding doesn't provide a lot of context as to how to differentiate between the two different Adobes.

      4 points
    • Marek LMarek L, 4 years ago

      Exactly what I am thinking

      1 point
    • Stuart McCoyStuart McCoy, 4 years ago

      Someone call the whambulance, we have a winger who needs some attention.

      0 points
  • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, 4 years ago

    Apart from really liking the end result, it's pretty sweet to see the process behind this. Very well done, and happy to see Adobe moving forward. They've improved a lot over the past 4 years, in pretty much every regard.

    The only other thing I'd love to see is a better relationship with the community. Being connected to your audience can go a long, long way.

    4 points
    • Austin Knight, 4 years ago (edited 4 years ago )

      The only other thing I'd love to see is a better relationship with the community.

      Demian Borba and the team working on XD have done a really nice job interacting with the community and using their feedback to drive the product direction. They're really shaking things up at Adobe. If XD goes over well, I think their success could be a catalyst for big change there.

      1 point
      • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, 4 years ago

        That's fair. I don't have access to XD (Windows user) so haven't seen the community around that develop.

        If said group of people have a focus on improving the product in collaboration with the people who actually use it (it sounds so blatantly obvious when you spell it out like that, doesn't it?) that would be really exciting to me.

        0 points
  • Mathieu CMathieu C, 4 years ago

    8h of work per day + flashy gradient desktop wallpaper = convulsion + vomiting.

    3 points
  • Trev MorrisTrev Morris, 4 years ago

    Designed with Bohemian Coding's Sketch App ;)

    2 points
  • Lewis FludeLewis Flude, 4 years ago (edited 4 years ago )

    Hey DN folks! After doing some research, I found out that Adobe Experience Design is a (badly promoted) prototyping tool. It looks cool, and I'd like to check it out.

    Linky about what it actually is here: http://www.adobe.com/uk/products/experience-design.html

    A blog post about them: https://blogs.adobe.com/creativecloud/thank-you-from-the-adobe-experience-design-team/

    Edit: Scratch that, from the behance page it says.

    "Adobe Design provides experience-led innovation. We are a team of makers that set a premium on workmanship. We fight for the customer. We collaborate and disrupt. We reward risk taking. Innovation is our job. We are the experience design team at adobe."

    Incredibly vague and confusing.

    2 points
    • Jean ChouinardJean Chouinard, 4 years ago

      "Adobe Experience Design is a (badly promoted) prototyping tool"? As a design doing UX, I can tell everybody was waiting for that tool from Adobe!

      1 point
  • Robin BierensRobin Bierens, 4 years ago

    "We soon realized that in order for us to successfully rebrand ourselves we needed to start with a blank slate. We also decided to drop the "A" from our acronym and focus on the letter "D" as the basis of our logo."

    Seriously? I don't get this shit. Why would you abandon the letter A for Adobe? Just because the D is easier to use in this concept?

    2 points
  • Matt FeltenMatt Felten, 4 years ago

    Anyone know how long of a project this was? Were the four designers on the team working full-time on it? I'm always curious about how the work breaks down on big projects like this.

    2 points
    • jj moijj moi, 4 years ago

      ...Most of the work was done by one designer, Anny Chen, over the course of a few months.... had regular formal and informal critiques throughout the process and helped steer a little bit, but Anny worked the process and got this result...

      0 points
  • Minh VMinh V, 4 years ago

    Much effort, only to end up with basically the 7th letter of the Vietnamese alphabet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D_with_stroke#Vietnamese

    1 point
  • John PJohn P, 4 years ago

    heh gradient banding on the posters, classic Adobe.

    0 points