The overrides panel and symbols page are way too complicated. Overriding symbols in the inspector panel instead of direct manipulation in context is wonky. Why not just treat all changes to a symbol as an override by default, and have a button in the inspector panel to "commit" those changes to propagate them to the master symbol? Everything could be done in-context without the overhead of a new page and a bunch of artboards for each symbol. A more simple solution would be to treat symbols similar to how shared styles work.
This is my biggest issue with it. Feels like a giant step back, and really messes with my workflow. I hope it gets either reverted back, or an option to toggle this function on/off.
Seems like text styles now work that way?
I just created a text style from a text element (A) then made two duplicates (B and C) of it.
I left B as-is, and then changed the font size of C. It didn't update A or B like it used to, instead the new symbol icon appeared on the text style list. I clicked the icon and it applied it to A and B.
Not sure why other symbols don't work like that though. Also, having to edit symbols out of context on a separate screen is silly.
Personally, I like the fact that I can see all my symbols at once. There was previously no way of getting a symbol overview like that, only a tiny preview of the symbol in the Insert Symbol dropdown.
I understand peoples problems with editing symbols out of context though. Using input’s instead of direct manipulation isn’t the best approach. I guess they had a good reason for doing it.
Still love Sketch. The most intuitive UI design tool I’ve used.
I certainly see the utility in having all the symbols at once - it's actually a really good feature. But forcing you to edit them out of context like that is very confusing.
I agree, the new way to handle symbols is just a massive step back. The beauty of symbols versus smart objects in PS was that they were edited in context rather than move you out to a completely different view. Why they chose to do it like this is beyond me. They should look at how InDesign handles styles.
Pretty strongly disagree. In usage, I've found the handling of symbols like this to be intuitive and organized. I think separating concerns as Sketch has and creating a space for symbol management helps enable more complex property management in the future.
In a lot of ways, this aligns well conceptually with how Craft treats palettes; isolating properties that propagate up/down from/to a separate page is cleaner than intermixing the canvas with symbols and non-symbols.
But you could put all your symbols on a separate page/art board before, you just needed to do it yourself if you want to have that kind of organisation. I personally do this for some elements and assets but I don't see why everyone needs to be forced into this kind of workflow when there wasn't anything stopping you from organising symbols before.
This is how Antetype works. I'm continually impressed by that tool.
I was reading about people complaining about not being able to edit the symbol in context and thought "it can't be that bad"...
HOLY SHEESUS, it's horrible!
Having to go to the symbol page to edit the symbol out of context, without being able to select multiple single layers inside a symbol to edit... it's really annoying.
Sketch team, please do something about this. Everything could be done in context, without needing to go to a different page, and then having to go back. Something great about Sketch is convenience and speed, this is taking a huge step backwards.
I will say, the ability to override multiple text fields and images is great.
Although I love the updates, switching over to the symbols page every single time to make any changes or add new layers to a symbol out of context is not ideal.
I would also love document colours to be handled in a similar way as styles, meaning I could have the ability to update a shared colour palette across a number of different layers.
Issues with old documents are fixed. I have no problems with this update.
Guys, can you open your files with this new 3.7 version that were saved with 3.6.1 version? My colleague just updated Sketch and he can't open a file I sent him
I've just updated and am now unable to open my previous files :/
damn, that sucks!
Same problem over here
It has now been fixed with a new update :D
Can confirm, after the update I couldn't open any previous files. You can open them witch Sketch beta though
This now seems to be fixed. I am able to open files saved with 3.6.1
Yes, they fixed the issue very quickly, but all European designers panicked for almost an hour this morning
So excited about fonts no longer escaping!!! Biggest update for Sketch in my mind, especially when collaborating with others.
You can get the 3.6.1. version here:
I've been working on a project for months, and now with the new update all my layers that were once hidden are no longer hidden and messed up my document really bad! I have about 50+ artboards that I now have to go back and tweak manually. Not cool, Sketch. Not. Cool. Also, making the user edit symbols out of context is completely annoying. you no longer have access to sample colors, align with other elements on the page, etc. I'm really disappointed with these new features. I think there are way better ways to implement these features without making such drastic changes. Plus, the keyboard shortcut for "Return to Instance"?? WTF!! What is that modifier key, does anyone know?! Also, why is it called an Instance, shouldn't it be "Page" since that's what you're going back to? I tried to roll back to the old version, but since I opened an existing document with 3.7, I'm no longer able to open it in an older version. I guess I'm stuck with this horrible, no good, very bad experience.
Also, making the user edit symbols out of context is completely annoying. you no longer have access to sample colors, align with other elements on the page, etc.
Very valid point… sigh.
How do you roll back to past version of Sketch?
We just released a UI Kit for Messenger Bots and we fully took advantage of those new Symbols in 3.7. I must say that it feels pretty great in UI Kit, because you can easily change all those things in just one place. I'm pretty happy with this update, I didn't even experience the bug with opening files.
I'm actually running into problems that I can't click through symbols.
Usually you can't open files from a newer version but I guess they decided to change that and make it the oposite :D
The symbol workflow is odd.
Normally when I edit a symbol - - - - I want to see it in context - not jammed into a separate page. Very odd choice.
Just posted My Favorite Sketch Updates - Version 3.7
Decided to give Sketch a shot as an Illustrator user. One of the things I love about Illustrator is the ability to stack non-destructive effects: make a shape, duplicate and rotate, turn into outline, union with another path, subtract the whole mess from a third shape — all while preserving the integrity of your original shape. It seems that in Sketch, you can only combine boolean operations as a single linear stack, not between groups. I also couldn't find any way to do non-destructive transforms. Is that correct? If so, are there any rivals to Illustrator in that regard?
If you're looking for more of an Illustrator alternative, give Affinity Designer a try. :)
Illustrator will always be better than sketch at shape building and manipulation. It's one reason I have such a hard time transitioning to Sketch — everything is so much slower and simpler. Luckily, as long as you expand your shapes and appearances before copying/pasting, sketch usually does a decent job importing geometry.
Is it safe to update?
I agree that the symbol page is a little weird (until we all acclimate to it I guess) but when you're making a symbol there's a check box to prevent it from being moved to a separate page and it will be left in context.
Just an FYI.
Same problem here!!! :/