Will Bohemian release a bug free version of Sketch before the community runs out of goodwill?

over 1 year ago from , Product Managing Human

This might sound like a rant, but it's not. I have a very honest question to ask all you Sketch users out there, because I've been a customer since the beginning and I'm just about done with it. The idea is nice, but the multiple times Bohemian made me pay for the same thing without making it any better is taking its toll on my good will.

Recently I started using Illustrator again BECAUSE IT WORKS. It's more than it can be said about Sketch.

102 comments

  • Marisol López, over 1 year ago

    I agree with Luca Candela. The only reason I use Sketch is because I client is using it. I bought it and I think it's so unprofessional to publish an update if all or at least most of the kinks have not been ironed out. I started by using the 3.3 version and when the 3.4 update came I updated it assuming it would work. Wrong! First of all it uses all of your ram (really, I had 4 gigs and it was using all of it and mentioned it on their FB page. It wasn't just me, other people posted the same thing was happening and they had 16 gigs of ram. All of it was being used by Sketch. The memory thing is a huge problem. It slows everything down. moving something a few pixels would automatically show the pinwheel for like 45 seconds or more. Insane. Also, something as simple as selecting an object is a pain in the ass. Common, why is this so difficult??? And everytime I think this is not Open Source software, this is payed sotware. It's unprofessional. An then the program doesn't recognize fonts installed like Fontawesome. Why??? It's insane. If I share the file with someone alse whi has the font installed they get this weird icon instead and the have to go and click on each time the font is used and reselect the font. It doesn't make any sense to me. It such a time waster. I could go on but I'll stop here. I'm only using Sketch for this particular client but for other clients I'll go with Adobe. For those of you who think it's just a few people complaining go to their Facebook page and their facebook group... tons of real complaints. There is no excuse for such crappy versions.

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  • Mitchel CabuloyMitchel Cabuloy, over 1 year ago

    May I just ask: What is the goal of this post? What outcome did you have in mind when you posted this? What positive impact would this have for the community?

    I understand that you're frustrated with Sketch. I'm not trying to understate the fact that it's buggy. Rather, I'm questioning the motives of this post.

    As it stands, the whole thread is just a mess of people arguing over Sketch's bugginess, with little to no constructive output.

    I'd like to think that the motive is to bring attention to Sketch's buggy reputation, and maybe, in some way, help improve the situation.

    Sadly, because of the way your post is worded (a rhetorical honest question?), it doesn't seem to be the case. A better post would have been "What can we do about Sketch's bugs?" Maybe list down issues you personally faced (and workarounds). Something that isn't so... aggressive in tone.

    I guess I just wanted to remind everyone to always, always, be aware of what your human does.

    P.S.: Here's all of Bohemian Coding. Remember that all of them are real people.

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  • Johan MichelsJohan Michels, over 1 year ago

    Running out of goodwill? Fulltime sketch user here, I still have tons of goodwill left. Love working with it

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  • John JacksonJohn Jackson, over 1 year ago

    I've made a full transition to Sketch in February and I have yet to experience a single deal-breaking bug. The only bug I've really experienced on a semi-regular basis is the lag that comes with zooming in/out.

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  • Andreas HAndreas H, over 1 year ago

    Sketch has been more and more unstable since 3.0 imo. Zooming in and out on boards with a lot of bitmaps is horrible, even on a 16gb ram MPBretina. Does anyone know what the most stable version was? I want to go back :(

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  • Zsolt Istvan, over 1 year ago

    Community submitted bug reports encountered in Sketch. http://sketchobserver.tumblr.com/submit

    Submit a bug you encountered and help making Sketch even better.

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  • Todd BenningsTodd Bennings, over 1 year ago

    I'll always have Adobe products whether they are my primary tools or my backups. I will at least own a copy of Sketch 3.x as long as I have a need to access .sketch files. And as long as I have Adobe products, there will constantly be a question of how much patience I am willing to devote towards software that is similar.

    Quit operating on goodwill. Don't do Bohemian Coding any favors. If Sketch has run its course with you, then it's all good. It doesn't have to be for everyone.

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  • Sam SolomonSam Solomon, over 1 year ago

    I'm a pretty heavy Sketch user—almost every day. When Sketch 3 came out there were some issues, but for the last 6 months I have had almost no issues. I'm a Sketch convert, and I have no interest in leaving.

    I'm an interface designer, if that helps.

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  • Nick Sloggett, over 1 year ago

    Take this nonsense to your personal blog or something chap. Ranting about indie software to a community that loves said indie software is just poor form. You don't see people whining about photoshops horrendous crashing... because this isn't a forum for that. Just saying chap.

    https://media.giphy.com/media/1unWthRtNnzkA/giphy.gif

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  • Alan HouserAlan Houser, over 1 year ago

    I seriously have no idea what you're talking about. I've never experienced ANY bugs in Sketch.

    Moreover, Illustrator is horrible. Is it opposite day or something? checks the date of the original post to see if it was posted on April 1st

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  • Patrick SirenPatrick Siren, over 1 year ago

    The thing that eats me most about Sketch (these days) is that I get an inconsistent experience between systems. I switch regularly between an MBP and a tricked out MacBook that I use for on-the-go work sessions and the bugs I run into consistently are different on both machines. For example I have problems where texts and symbols will randomly disappear on the MBP and booleans get all jacked on the MB - I've got a laundry list of them and yet I've never seen the same bug on both machines. It's just really weird.

    Do n't get me wrong, I enjoy working in sketch but if I need to do anything beyond solid color / simple gradients, or simple layouts, it's just faster for me to do it in Illustrator. Those little headaches add up and I just can't afford the production delays half the time.

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  • Vince P.Vince P., over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

    This is a bit too much. When I first tried out Sketch (around 2.0), I didn't understand the hype. It WAS buggy, zooming was slow, it had a lot of rendering bugs, etc. But it did got a lot better, and from 3.0 it's much more stable. Now it works perfectly for me when I'm doing wireframes or UI designs. Somehow I get more joy of working with Sketch than with Illustrator, especially on UI designs. Although when I'm doing logo design, Illustrator feels much more at hand.

    Maybe you are just using sketch for the wrong tasks.

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  • Blaine KBlaine K, over 1 year ago

    Don't be an asshole.

    There is no such thing as bug free software, and all development is a balance between new features, optimizations, and bug fixes. Balance.

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    • , over 1 year ago

      Don't be an asshole either: if you don't agree with someone you can use your words to state that fact without insulting them.

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      • Alan HouserAlan Houser, over 1 year ago

        I'm an asshole, and I'm offended when people try to be like me.

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      • Blaine KBlaine K, over 1 year ago

        Honestly, though, I put that comment in there because I truly feel it fits the post. It's just that bad. It was meant to be a bit sensational, to get the point across.

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  • Daniel SieradskiDaniel Sieradski, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

    There is no such thing as bug-free software. You can test and test and test before a release and never encounter or be able to replicate a bug that others run into after release. That's why, instead of pursuing the fantasy of a bug-free release, you should encourage the real possibility of frequent updates. That said, Adobe CC — which thankfully does update more frequently than Sketch — is still infinitely more buggy than anything else I use regularly.

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  • John PJohn P, over 1 year ago

    No point beating around the bush here, this post is an example of sheer stupidity.

    We're better than this.

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    • , over 1 year ago

      Thanks for the cheap insult, I'm sure you put the whole brawn of your intellect at work to come up with that. When you recover from the effort, please make a list of all the people you feel superior to, I genuinely want to know.

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      • John PJohn P, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

        Your thread is an embarrassment to this whole website.

        If you're bothered by Bohemian's product then go pester them for a refund instead of whinging away like a big baby on DN.

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  • Dean HaydenDean Hayden, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

    This is a rant but honestly I feel that it's just. My main beef with Sketch is its quirks. Scaling objects / bitmaps is awful (not retaining ratios and just doing its own thing with shapes). Not being able to assign a point of origin for scaling is a complete pain. The typography is terrible in terms of bugs and workflow.

    I had to use it over a period of three months, 8+ hours everyday and its shortcomings often outweighed its benefits. When it works Sketch is great but when it fails at the most basic of tasks it drives me mad!.

    I love the fact that it's a product by a small independent company and they're adding new features with each new release but I won't be ditching my CC subscription any time soon.

    Personally I didn't believe the hype and using it for an intensive period of time unfortunately proved me right.

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  • Rory Smyth, over 1 year ago

    I'm convinced that the guys at bohemian don't even use their own software. They said on their FB page "we don't ship with known bugs", yet some of these bugs (in 3.4) would have popped up instantly had any designer actually been using the product for a day.

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    • Mitchell KnightMitchell Knight, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

      "The unfortunate (for designers) fact of life is that most people don’t give a shit about how well something is designed…What I mean to say is that the shape of your buttons, or the bounciness of your animations are details, not selling points.”

      That's a quote from Pieter Omvlee, the founder of Bohemian Coding. After learning more about the company, I'm convinced that not only do they not use their own software but the founder of the company feels a disdain for design in general. I'd rather have the tools I use everyday made by people that actually respect what I do for a living.

      "The details are not the details. They make the design." — Charles Eames

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      • Rory Smyth, over 1 year ago

        The sad/funny side of it is if they aren't actually using their own software, they're not testing it properly. So design aside, it makes them sloppy developers.

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    • Christian Krammer, over 1 year ago

      Nope, they don't use their own software, even not Emanuel Sá. This answer from him says all: https://www.facebook.com/groups/sketchformac/permalink/1634290166823135/

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  • brennan smith, over 1 year ago

    Why aren't you using Antetype?

    You claim it to be "the best, most productive tool for UI design I have ever used." on the homepage. "Antetype is the best, most productive tool for UI design I have ever used. It does everything, from websites to mobile apps, and it's just unbelievable how much time it saves me. There is simply no better tool out there if you're serious about UI design." Luca Candela, Product Manager at DataPad

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    • , over 1 year ago

      Antetype is NOT a competitor to Sketch. They fulfill completely different needs. I use Sketch for the initial screen design, icons etc... but I move to Antetype for specs and complete layouts.

      If you're implying I have some kind of commercial interest in what the guys at ErgoSign then let me share my earnings with you: $0.

      I simply really like what they do, and support the work of developers that truly work hard for their money.

      And by the way, I really need to tell the guys to update my title, DataPad was acquired by Cloudera and no longer in business :-)

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  • Scott ThomasScott Thomas, over 1 year ago

    I did notice with the recent update, my files crash when I try to undo and symbols are glitchy. However, I think we are spoiled by web applications that can push updates the seconds after they discover an error.

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  • Dan SimDan Sim, over 1 year ago

    Adobe bugs (and performance) drove me to Sketch.

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  • Joan Gonzalez, over 1 year ago

    I'm a huge fan of Sketch, it's what I mostly use. While I admit it has its fair share of bugs, I have yet to experience anything that would make me switch (any consistent bug severe enough to permanently turn me off). That being said, I definitely see where you're coming from.

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  • Sim SkrebeSim Skrebe, over 1 year ago

    Luca, it’s not cool to be frustrated with a product, post an ambiguous comment and watch people interpreting what you meant. Sketch managed to break the industry which you have to give a huge credit for them. So many worldwide design agencies have moved from PS to Sketch and their daily workflow. There is a reason for that. I feel there was a bug or two that may have annoyed you - it would be a bit more useful if you just stated what they are. Although if you moved back to Illustrator it may be more than just a bug, perhaps the product just doesn't suit your requirements and therefore Illustrator is still your preferred choice. Which essentially creates room for a completely different discussion.

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    • , over 1 year ago

      Simonas, I have the right to be frustrated as much as I please. My comment was not ambiguous, I genuinely wonder if the community is going to support Bohemian even if they release shoddy releases one after another. The general mood I've seen in this thread makes me believe the answer is YES and as a product manager I honestly don't get what it is that generates this mad loyalty. If I could figure it out and harness it for my products I would be a very, very rich man.

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      • Alfonse SurigaoAlfonse Surigao, over 1 year ago

        Luca, I think Simonas was genuine in asking specifically what it is about Sketch that has you frustrated about. Being more specific in the bugs that have bothered you when using Sketch would at least give others reading your comments the insight into why you vented your frustrations. Mind you, I don't really use Sketch that much (as I'm more of a PS user myself) so it's difficult for me to gauge what your frustrations are if you're being vague. I'm not here defending Sketch or B.C. at all, but I would like a little more background into your frustrations. And like what Simonas was talking about, it's difficult to interpret what you mean unless you're specific (only once have I seen you tell another commenter what specific bug has bothered you. i.e. line-height bug). At least if you were to tell us exactly what's bothering you, we can sympathize and agree with what you have to say.

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  • Tony DolanTony Dolan, over 1 year ago

    Show me a bug free app and I'll show you my peepee

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  • Nazar FedunkivNazar Fedunkiv, over 1 year ago

    Luca, can you please provide us with a list of worst bugs you are constantly encountering and which prevent you from adequate working?

    I use sketch for the whole last year, and it is doing a great job, comparing to Ps and, especially, to Ai.

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  • Brian YuBrian Yu, over 1 year ago

    The thread would be much more meaningful if you at least list out the problems you ran into. This is just pure ranting. Justsaying.

    I'm also curious about what problems you guys have with sketch.

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    • Luca Candela, over 1 year ago

      I don't owe you a list of bugs (or nothing else in particular, mind you) but I think you're missing the point. Try reading again and see if you get what I mean, it's not that hard I promise.

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      • Sam SolomonSam Solomon, over 1 year ago

        I think Brian's comment is reasonable. If there are specific issues that you're having, why not post them here?

        Other DN community members may have work-arounds. Plus some of the Sketch team members may see it and move it up their bug list.

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  • Ryan GloverRyan Glover, over 1 year ago

    Witch hunt. If you don't like indie output, don't use indie software. Even the big boys have bugs. I use Sketch constantly and rarely run into bugs, especially those that make it "unusable."

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  • Christoph Hellmuth, over 1 year ago

    I am so thankful for every new feature and every new patch that brings certain fixes. As long as the usefulness outweighs the crashes I will keep on using it and have been since 2 years. Even 2 years ago it was much much more buggy and crashes were just something that happened. Today its so much better and stable, anyway what better alternatives are there to compare it with? Photoshop? Well that certainly crashes never :P

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    • Christian Krammer, over 1 year ago

      If only Affinity Designer would have Artboards/Pages and better export options, then it could be a serious competitor.

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  • Tristan HarwardTristan Harward, over 1 year ago

    I'll be one of the possibly few to agree with you. Illustrator is basically a less-buggy, more functional, more mature version of Sketch. It does exactly the same things, with some minor workflow differences, and it does it without crashing, without getting unbearably slow, and without ever reaching a point where you need to do something but can't.

    Fully support this comment. No software is perfect, and Sketch is small and innovative, but it's also a tool for extremely professional work and must be a level of quality and polish to match if it wants to really break into Adobe's market share.

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    • , over 1 year ago

      My question is WHY so many like to pretend it's not a problem. I've never seen so much rabid, acritical devotion even from Mac fanboys (although the Mac community is definitely primed to host most of those characters in its ranks).

      I genuinely like the guys at Bohemian, I even paid tons of money to Manuel to design an icon set for one of the products I worked on, I'm not a hater by any means. I just wish they had their priorities a little straighter because they had Adobe in a corner and now they are setting themselves up to be killed by Affinity and Adobe Comet.

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      • Tristan HarwardTristan Harward, over 1 year ago

        Quality is a little more difficult than just getting your priorities in order, but I do agree that they aren't focusing on the right things in the right way.

        I think people really want to believe in an underdog that can make their lives better and give them a better tool—because we're all product designers trying to do the same exact thing. If Sketch's story goes south, what's to stop us from suffering the same fate? It also comes from a lack of understanding of quality and what creates it: people see criticisms of quality as criticisms of the people who built the product, when in fact, quality comes from systems, psychological effects, market demands, external pressures, and so many more complex factors. The psychological effect of "fundamental attribution error" tells us subconsciously to ignore those systemic factors and boil it down to the individual and their abilities instead. And in a community, to criticize an individual comes across as mean spirited, so people get defensive.

        That type of defensiveness is the critical challenge to overcome in order to actually begin to improve with a double-loop learning process.

        That, and it's just good enough to cover the pareto, so 80% of people are happy with 80% of what it offers. Real value, however, lies in the 20%.

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  • Catalin CimpanuCatalin Cimpanu, over 1 year ago

    Adobe will put enough pressure on Bohemian when Project Comet is released.

    It will be good or die from then on. Competition makes everything better.

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  • Andrei YakushauAndrei Yakushau, over 1 year ago

    I know this feel... When sketch 2 just was realized, I was so happy that so helpful for designers product was launched, but after I tried to run a big project there and very soon give up in cause of all these bugs. Then tried 3 version and was so excited that they had fixed all the bugs, but no, it's still can't properly works with the raster and etc. Guess in the 4th version they fix all bugs.

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  • Norm SheeranNorm Sheeran, over 1 year ago

    I Remember when Adobe shipped a version of AI and it had a bug that wouldn't let users export as SVG. That was this year, AI CC2015.

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  • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

    From my personal experience Sketch is now in a state in which I consider it suited for production work: Sketch is helping me getting stuff done far more often than hindering me in my work.
    There are still bugs (and there always will be bugs, it's software after all), but they are no dealbreakers (for me). Sketch has reached a point where I'm satisfied with its overall quality.

    Admittedly, sometimes I'm still reminded of the bad ol' days when it sometimes took me minutes after an update to find major reproduceable bugs: When 3.3 shipped and broke click-through measuring, an essential feature, that had worked for the last 2 and a half years I was once again asking myself if Bohemian Coding actually uses their software, how they cannot find something like that and how this can be shipped to customers. I still find it amusing, that it even was mentioned in that article detailing all 3.4's "new" features, when it was finally fixed in the last update.

    In the end, however, I have to say that there is little software on the Mac I feel so strongly about as Sketch. When everything works (and nowadays this is 95% of my time) it is an absolute delight to use. I feel I'm quicker and more efficient than I was or ever could be with any of the competing offerings. I love the little touches, the clever ideas, the wide array of extensions and I hope that with the ever growing support (and hopefully, financial success) of Sketch they further improve the overall software quality and keep on adding features, that make my daily work easier.

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  • Filip RadelicFilip Radelic, over 1 year ago

    I don't know what people who claim it's working for them do, but I don't use Sketch very often (I'm a developer, mostly working with other people's files) and I'm still frustrated by how bad it is every single time I have to open it. The only thing I really like about Sketch is its export feature, but that is irrelevant when it can't even render some shapes properly. And I don't mean crazy complex shapes, I once spent half an hour trying to export a rounded plus symbol and gave up because apparently bool operations on two bezier curves are too hard for a $99 vector drawing app. Also, I've been asking for ability to export PNG files with no alpha channel for years and the answer was always soon (when there was an answer at all). How can I take this app seriously?

    Yeah sure Photoshop and other Adobe apps have bugs, but they are ginormous decades old pieces of legacy code barely held together by cheap glue and they perform much better than you'd expect them, while Bohemian sells us the promise of a nice lightweight native app, but has failed to deliver one that is usable for years.

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  • Numecca .Numecca ., over 1 year ago

    I would probably be really helpful if you could start a google doc of the bugs encountered. I'm not making the switch from Adobe because I have no idea what I'll encounter. I think if there was a list that people could edit, then that would help the people at Bohemian Coding prioritize what to fix.

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    • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, over 1 year ago

      You don't have to "make the switch" from Adobe - you will probably need it for some things anyway. What I can advise, if you are really interested in using Sketch, is to use it for isolated projects at first and see if you like it and how many bugs you really encounter.

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  • Bruce V, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

    Any bugs and Sketch will still be faster than Illustrator and PS.

    Love you Sketch and keep these new features coming.

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  • Denis RojcykDenis Rojcyk, over 1 year ago

    I get your frustration. I'm somehow in the same boat as you. But my main issue here is not that Sketch has bugs, every software does. But the the frequency at which updates are released.

    With 3.4 being released, 3.4.1 will fix most of the annoying bugs, buts lots of others will stay until 3.5 (months ahead). Instead of fixing small bug every week / other week, we have to wait like 3 months to get some of these fixed, and be presented with a long line of new ones.

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    • Florian GrauFlorian Grau, over 1 year ago

      You could switch to the Beta - it is updated quite often. However, files saved there are not compatible with the stable version.

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      • Christian Krammer, over 1 year ago

        Always work on the beta, never used the stable for a long time. This way I immediately get all the bug fixes and also a glimpse into the future of Sketch. So far didn't have a problem at all (not more bugs than in the stable).

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  • Richardini Zapata, over 1 year ago

    I've been working on sketch for 3 weeks now. In the beginning it was really buggy, but I still was feeling better than working in photoshop. Now, after the last update it doesn't crash as much as it did before and a lot of bugs were fixed.

    I'm just starting with sketch, but it's great to know that their are improving their software continuously.

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  • Dennis CamachoDennis Camacho, over 1 year ago

    No relationship is perfect. I'm with Sketch, and I don't want to be with anyone else.

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  • Maxime De greveMaxime De greve, over 1 year ago

    As a designer and developer I know very well that with every new feature you make, new bugs popup. No matter how many tests you write for it, there always will be a few that are getting out there unfortunately. Especially if you work on a complex product as Sketch, since there are so many different combinations that can happen inside that app.

    Illustrator and Photoshop also comes with a bucket with bugs when they release a new version. http://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/problems/common?page=3&sort=recently_active&style=problem

    I know the Bohemian guys are really working hard to fix bugs as soon as you report them and before they launch a new release they always have a beta running for several months to avoid bugs in the their final release.

    The only thing I know is that I saved hours, days or perhaps months by using Sketch and I'm tremendously thankful for that! Every time I have to export a app icon it reminds me how a wonderful job they are doing!

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  • Jared Pike, over 1 year ago

    Illustrator is far from being "bug free"

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  • Chris ArnoldChris Arnold, over 1 year ago

    Some of the random bugs that pop up in Sketch definitely get me down from time to time. But I guess it all comes back to what you're using it for, and what "done with it" really means. Are you really going to leave Sketch for Illustrator for modern digital design?

    In my opinion there is nothing better than Sketch for our field. The flexibility of art boards, vectors, and the spectrum from quick wireframes to polished designs is unmatched with Adobe. It’s truly been built for people like us.

    It can be buggy (live text can be brutal, groups and layers can uncontrollably collapse, etc.), but my money’s on them for fixing these things before the ship’s sailed with a grumpy audience.

    Ultimately, what works better for you? If it’s Illustrator, use that instead :)

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  • Matt Sawmiller, over 1 year ago

    I completely disagree here. I find adobe products more buggy then sketch. I can deal with a few minor bugs, but sketch is more than adequate for my needs.

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    • Luca Candela, over 1 year ago

      I dare you to do any reasonably involved icon design work without ripping your hair off using Sketch. I tried. Not only I tried, but I can post screenshots of the receipts of all three versions, it's not like I didn't put faith in them. I really wanted to believe that "this time they got it right". Sketch has some REALLY good ideas, like the export system that is brilliant, the way it manages artworks (when it works, because usually it doesn't) and so many other small things that make it a pleasure to work with when you don't run in one of its bugs... which happens every 5 minutes.

      I never worked with anything so popular that was also so buggy, and I honestly find the popularity of Sketch befuddling, even in its worst days Fireworks was never as broken as Sketch is now.

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      • Ollie BarkerOllie Barker, over 1 year ago

        I find Adobe products more buggy than Sketch. So don't use Sketch for icon design? We all know it's strength is interface design. Use PS for bitmaps, Illustrator for icons and Sketch for interfaces.

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      • Scott Johnson, over 1 year ago

        Um....Sketch is primarily for doing UI design not illustration/icon work. So...uhh...duh?

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      • John AnzelcJohn Anzelc, over 1 year ago

        No way. Nothing will ever be as broken as Fireworks. Sketch isn't even in the same stratosphere.

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      • Phil RauPhil Rau, over 1 year ago

        I think Sketch is not meant for icon design... you're right, the pen tool is a nightmare to use, but that's because they are not trying to replace Illustrator for icon design work. I recommend doing vector illustration in the program made for vector illustration, and UI design work in the program made for UI design.

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        • Christian Krammer, over 1 year ago

          Don't agree. I do EVERYTHING in Sketch, and most of the times it works pretty well. Of course there are limitations, but apart from that Sketch is a very universal and capable tool for every design challenge.

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      • A Paul, over 1 year ago

        You've been trying to use Sketch to design icons? Uhh, that's not what it's meant to do. That's Illustrator. So you're right to be frustrated, I guess.

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  • Kristaps Elsins, over 1 year ago

    I have been using Sketch for over an year as my Primary (99% done) tool for design. 1% is fixing some bitmaps on PS. I use sketch HEAVY, 8+h a day, 50+ artbords in projects, etc. There are some bugs that i know is there thats why i don't use or hack some of sketch features. As example I know that "background blur" sucks - I JUST DON'T use it. Also i don't import 10mb+ images to the artboard and i do split large projects in multiple .sketch files. I know its not cool, that i have to make these "hacks" but it's nothing compered i get in return using Sketch. Fast, intuitive, as i code a lot of stuff I make I just can't imagine my carrier without sketch. And as its made by so small team it's a miracle that they can even compete with adobe.

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    • Damián HernándezDamián Hernández, over 1 year ago

      This!

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    • Christian Krammer, over 1 year ago

      Same here. While I LOVE (love, love, love) Sketch and totally couldn't live without it anymore, I'm often so frustrated when I encounter a critical bug or something isn't working as expected. DOn't want to know how much time I already spent on reporting bugs to Bohemian Coding. While they constantly tell me they appreciate my help, sometimes I haven another feeling when I don't get a single reaction to my bug reports. A thanks" or "will look into it" would help.

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    • Matthew O'ConnorMatthew O'Connor, over 1 year ago

      Background blur sucks if you use the number input. If you just use the slider it works fine!?

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  • David KlawitterDavid Klawitter, over 1 year ago

    This is absurd and the replies about it being unusable must be isolated cases, if even true.

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  • Maciej JurczakMaciej Jurczak, over 1 year ago

    I use Sketch a lot, but have much more less bugs than before. I understand your reasons, but I'll ask why so many people pay for Photoshop, that also have bugs and with every version add new features than patch it up and make it more stable.

    I'll continue to buy new versions of Sketch because I like it and if Adobe making Project coment that means Bohemia guys, are on good route :)

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    • , over 1 year ago

      I WANT Sketch to be good. I'm disappointed it's not. I'm a tool maker myself, I love tools, I get in all the early previews, beta programs and private pilots I can get my hands on.

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      • John PJohn P, over 1 year ago

        I get in all the early previews, beta programs and private pilots

        Might be starting to see the problem, Beta Release != Stable Release

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        • , over 1 year ago

          John, to be blunt, the fact that you haven't been banned for your ad hominem attacks is the real embarrassment here. I tried with sarcasm before, now I'll give it to you straight: you have no right to insult anyone because they don't share your ideas or dislike something you like. Chill out and mind your manners.

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          • John PJohn P, over 1 year ago

            Take a look in the mirror, you're the one throwing stones here.

            Can't believe someone would start a thread whinging about this topic again when it's already been discussed to death and much more eloquently and sensibly than you put it.

            You can try and hint for me to be banned all you want but you're the one causing awful discussion on the site.

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  • Kenneth JensenKenneth Jensen, over 1 year ago

    No they won't, it's software. It will always have bugs.

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  • Carlos MCarlos M, over 1 year ago

    Look at Adobe. They've got a full building-load of a team to work on Illustrator— versus the guys at Bohemian Coding. There's literally less people at Bohemian Coding than the number of fingers you've got on one hand.

    Growth takes time. Fixing (everything) takes time— time the guys at Bohemian Coding didn't get as much as the guys at Adobe did.

    Go switch to Illustrator, perfectly fine. Just acknowledge that the effort poured into Sketch— be it in the past or present— has been incredibly valuable, especially with the number of people they have.

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  • Jesse HeadJesse Head, over 1 year ago

    What are your top 3 biggest issues with it?

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    • , over 1 year ago

      It changes with every version, but it never takes me more than 5 minutes to stumble on something seriously fucked up.

      For example, set a line height to a big value and then back to auto.

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  • Davey HeuserDavey Heuser, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

    Making software costs money, man. You can't compare a company who has been making software for years with Bohemian coding.

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    • Ix TechauIx Techau, over 1 year ago

      I think the point the OP is making is: why doesn't Bohemian Coding focus on fixing bugs instead of adding features? I mean I don't know if they are, I don't really use Sketch...but that is what I understood as being the OP's problem.

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    • Adrien Maston, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

      I can't help but wondering if it is a valid reason : Can a company keep shipping buggy beyond usable software version after version because it's young ?

      That said, I don't really use Sketch but every piece of review that I read describes it as brilliant in concept but so buggy in execution that it gets hard to use.

      If true : B.C. managed to build a very dedicated community around Sketch, it would be a shame that even early loyal users start leaving because of bugs. Plus it is certainly holding potential new users back from adopting it. Given the target market of Sketch, you could assume that current users would perfectly understand and even welcome a bug squashing centered release of Sketch, without the "new features" marketing.

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      • Satyajit SahooSatyajit Sahoo, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

        It has bugs, true, but certainly not beyond usable. I use Sketch and I rarely have to face the bugs.

        I think the reviews you're talking about are about old versions. Current versions have improved a lot since then.

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        • Adrien Maston, over 1 year ago

          Recent versions as well. Could also be a reputation that sticks to it. Time to try and switch from potential new user to regular user then.

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        • Fri RasyidiFri Rasyidi, over 1 year ago

          Well, you should consider yourself really lucky then. I used it everyday and always have to face bugs here and there.

          One of the most frustrating is that the latest update this Oct makes all my plugins not working. Worse, saved documents from the latest version is not compatible with earlier versions, so I can't just roll back to earlier version even if it's possible and my coworkers are forced to update as well.

          I'm (and my coworkers are) really looking forward for Adobe Comet now.

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      • Erik ShawErik Shaw, over 1 year ago (edited over 1 year ago )

        This company and app are hardly young. Sketch was born circa 2011 under the name Drawit, a simple drawing and image manipulation application. The core of Sketch is still based on Drawit, and utilizes many of the initial features. Sketch is often believed to be an app made specifically for interface design, when in reality it's only marketed as such. They saw a need from the design community and changed their target market and sales approach to meet the demand. Problem is, a number of these bugs have been around since day one, and new ones arrive after every update.

        This makes me, unfortunately, question the knowledge and ability of the developers. You certainly don't see this crap with Affinity and other newish design apps.

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        • Adrien Maston, over 1 year ago

          I hope 2011 is not that old ;)

          That said, what you mention is what emerges from comments and reviews, I could summarize as :

          years later there is still a lot of bugs remaining from day one. Some of the unresolved bugs (old and new) are blocking ones, making some features really unusable or messing the whole file.

          Is it an inherited and undeserved sticky reputation ? Like Firefox is a memory hog.

          This doesn't seem to happen with Affinity and Adobe (in my own experience, it has very rarely).

          On Adobe : far from perfect but with "ginormous decades old pieces of legacy code barely held together by cheap glue" (illustrator dates back to the mid 80's and they were not always a hundred-of-engineers company), Adobe seems to be able to deliver relatively stable software. They keep installing crap scattered all over your hard drive but the software does work.

          For some practical reasons I've found myself working last week with the latest versions of Photoshop and Illustrator on my good old 2007 iMac, and it runs OK. It's certainly not the fastest/confortable setup, it doesn't support the fancy GPU accelerated thingies, but it's perfectly usable with relatively large files (psds with hundred of vector/smart/bitmap layers with effects) and got me through a few days of work. Not too shabby.

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    • Marisol López, over 1 year ago

      Right, but they're not re -inventing the wheel. Why is selecting things such a pain in the ass??? It's 2015... they haven't figured that out yet? Excuses....

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