• Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

    should moms code?

    15 points
    • Chase GiuntaChase Giunta, over 5 years ago

      You are about to have the feminists jump all over your ass, son.

      3 points
      • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 5 years ago

        that was meant to riff off the "should designers code?" dead horse, but thanks for trying to make my comment unnecessarily controversial!

        10 points
        • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, 5 years ago (edited 5 years ago )

          I'm pretty sure he was just dead-horsing around too, which would make Chase the controversial one!

          .edit: also, not sure whether to do a belly-laugh at your initial comment, or slap you in the face for bringing that one up again :)

          2 points
      • Will ThomasWill Thomas, over 5 years ago (edited over 5 years ago )

        I would genuinely hope everyone one on DN considers themselves a feminist.

        We know that our field has big problems with diversity, and it's people thinking that little jokes like this are just "dead horsing around" that are the start of the problem. What is a little bit of fun for some is yet another hurdle for others who are constantly made to feel like they do not belong.

        Surely being a little more considerate is a small price to pay for equality?

        3 points
        • Chase GiuntaChase Giunta, 5 years ago

          No, the start of the problem is the extreme oversensitivity that causes backlash, due to lack of political correctness. Statements like the initial, which would probably result in someone such as yourself trying to make a scene, making others feeling terrible for making an innocent non-sexist comment, but didn't adequately tailor it to every sex, race, or demographic to fit your everyone-is-equal-so-every-statement-must-present-that narrative. That's why I made the comment. To prevent such unwarranted backlash that we've seen lately. Women have been acclimating & assimilating in to several industries just fine on their own, they don't need cyber heroes behind keystrokes to stand up for them in this one (because we've been oppressing them, right?)- it only hurts the end goal. My comment, by itself, would be harmful, but put into context with the attitudes & agendas that have been posted on Designer "News" lately, it's right on point.

          0 points
          • Will ThomasWill Thomas, 5 years ago (edited 5 years ago )

            I'm sorry if I made anyone feel terrible, that certainly wasn't my intention. Also I don't feel like I'm standing up on behalf of anyone, I don't think I'm being a hero, I'm just stating something I think is important.

            I used to dismiss this sort of thing too, it can appear over-sensitive, but that's because we — as men — are not sensitive to it. Jokes or comments like these can seem innocuous enough but to others they're a constant reminder that there is a gender disparity. It doesn't say "jQuery Recipes Your Dad Should Know". Why is that surprising?

            I appreciate that in light of the recent t-shirt debate, it may seem like the context is there to justify these remarks, but not everyone is a regular here.

            I don't mean to call you or anyone out, I just think in order to make change we need to be having this conversation more often, not treating it like an "unwarranted backlash". Women aren't solely responsible for equality, we all have to do our bit.

            2 points
  • Will ThomasWill Thomas, 5 years ago

    This is a pretty terrible choice for a title.

    I'd also argue that newcomers to Javascript should be dissuaded from using jQuery, especially for such small thing like hide and show. jQuery is a large library and the extra http request + file size isn't worth it for small interactions.

    New comers to Javascript should definitely checkout youmightnotneedjquery, which shows vanilla solutions for simple UI interactions. http://youmightnotneedjquery.com/

    10 points
    • Arjun PenemetsaArjun Penemetsa, 5 years ago

      Although it's true that they should learn the basics, I believe that if you really want someone to get into coding/design, they should start playing around with things like JQuery that make it simpler to do a lot of things and then try to understand how it works underneath (ie Javascript).

      If they have to start worrying about HTTP requests and file size from the get go it's a lot more things to worry about before seeing the end result.

      In my opinion this is akin to Python vs C++, although not a direct analogy.

      2 points
    • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, 5 years ago

      I quite liked the title. Was instantly clear that they meant "this is something useful for everyone using jQuery".

      0 points
  • Ed AdamsEd Adams, 5 years ago (edited 5 years ago )

    This article attempts to be humorous, but to me just comes off as awkward and unfunny.

    Also, a lot of this could be very easily accomplished in vanilla JavaScript and I think that's a better thing to encourage. This one in particular and others barely leverage any more jQuery features than just the selector engine.

    3 points