54 comments

  • Randall MorrisRandall Morris, almost 4 years ago

    That hinge is absolutely hideous.

    19 points
  • Brian HintonBrian Hinton, almost 4 years ago

    My stance remains the same about Microsoft products. I believe that the hardware is 100x better than the competition mainly you get more for the money, and the Surface branded devices are top quality. BUT and this is a big but...the app ecosystem just isn't there for designers. Designers have to live in an Adobe world on Windows hardware, and that isn't a compromise I want to make.

    16 points
    • Lloyd WonderLloyd Wonder, almost 4 years ago

      Bit of a cycle though, I believe. People assume designers don't use Windows so they only develop for Mac. It's a problem I've run into quite a bit.

      I've e-mailed a few developers of Mac software over the years asking if they'd ever have plans of porting to Windows but the answer is usually the same.

      10 points
      • Christopher JamesChristopher James, almost 4 years ago

        Exactly.

        The large majority of my coworkers and friends (commercial photography industry) do most of their work on Windows workstations, but there's still this deep-rooted assumption in most creative industries that if you're not using a Mac you can't be taken seriously.

        Ironically, though, these same people wouldn't dare meet clients with anything other than an Apple product, but my guess is that this is little or nothing to do with 'Windows hardware being a compromise', and is largely down to signalling (Robin Hanson).

        6 points
        • Will FroelichWill Froelich, almost 4 years ago

          I think more Windows users pirate their software. That means most Win developers need to target B2B deals or larger companies that will pay for the software, which is why you end up with pretty poorly designed stuff until you hit the Adobe level.

          Mac buyers tend to be willing to pay more for quality which opens up lower cost indie development.

          Or at least that may be the assumption many indie devs hold which just perpetuates the problem.

          4 points
          • Christopher JamesChristopher James, almost 4 years ago

            Anecdotally this seems plausible to me, although I'd be curious to find out what the base rate of piracy is on each OS, and whether or not the perception that piracy is more common among Windows OS users is inflated by the fact that Microsoft has a much larger market share.

            2 points
          • Josué Gutiérrez Valenciano, almost 4 years ago

            hahaha every Mac user I know personally pirates their software, in Latin America people love Macs for design but hell, they are not going to buy software for a $1800 MacBook.

            1 point
      • Andrew HartAndrew Hart, almost 4 years ago

        Wow. This used to be the other way around, very heavily. The biggest downside about the Mac was the lack of decent software in some areas. And Microsoft gave the Mac the shittest version of Messenger they could muster up. You could get other clients (Trillian, Adium), but you'd have to explain to all of your friends that your Mac was the reason you couldn't video call them.

        0 points
    • Sam MularczykSam Mularczyk, almost 4 years ago

      Agreed. I'd love one of these... if not for the absolute lack of equivalent tools on Windows. The visual design and dev environments are just not up to par.

      1 point
    • Eric FilkinsEric Filkins, almost 4 years ago

      What Adobe products can you get on a Mac that you can't get on a PC?

      2 points
  • John PJohn P, almost 4 years ago

    Pains me to say this being a long term Apple user but this is a hundred times more interesting and exciting than the iPad Pro. Can actually imagine myself creating things with this product while the iPad Pro restricts that due to app containers/lack of file management and lack of true pro software (which will never come because it will never be profitable)

    15 points
    • Eric H.Eric H., almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

      I don't understand the confusion. The Surface Pro 4, which Microsoft always compares to the Macbook Air, maps more to the iPad Pro . The Surface Book, which the OP is about, maps more to a Macbook Pro, not the iPad Pro.

      See? Simple. ;)

      6 points
    • Cecil Lancaster, almost 4 years ago

      I don't see how sandboxing affects the quality of your work?

      And if anything, the Apple ecosystem arguably has the best apps. If you're looking for 'pro' software in terms of desktop software, then that's a different story and should be compared to a Macbook Pro.

      0 points
      • John PJohn P, almost 4 years ago

        It affects getting files on and off the machine, the fact it doesn't just have a straight filesystem like a real computer.

        1 point
  • Josué Gutiérrez Valenciano, almost 4 years ago

    I am selling everything and get one! And the Lumia 950 XL and the Band 2. Really digging into MS ecosystem.

    9 points
  • A. M. ­DouglasA. M. ­Douglas, almost 4 years ago

    Can I ssh from the command line natively yet or do I still have to install a unix siamese twin? Because I can do more work from a Chromebook than a Windows laptop out-of-the-box.

    Also Sketch/Affinity/non-Adobe competitor products for Windows would be big motivators to buy.

    5 points
  • Hanu Man, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

    Is this the ultimately laptop?

    4 points
  • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, almost 4 years ago

    If this was a Mac I would already be lining up at the Apple Store…

    4 points
  • Michal CsanakyMichal Csanaky, almost 4 years ago

    Just what exactly were they hoping to achieve by pulling up a mockup of a MBP with Mavericks—an OS from two years ago! tsk tsk

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    4 points
  • Andy StoneAndy Stone, almost 4 years ago

    The comments on YouTube (and starting on here) are incredibly excited about this laptop. Hell, I'll admit that I started getting excited because of the music alone. But I don't quite understand what's making this such a great piece of hardware. Couple of reasons:

    1) I'm not excited about tablets in general, but a tablet in the Microsoft ecosystem is going to be pretty poor because of the app support. 2) The focus on the keyboard and the touchpad didn't make much sense to me (maybe I'm missing something). I would just expect these to be great. 3) Companies have already "perfected" what a laptop is and can be—I want this music and this production value to go into what's next for computers.

    3 points
    • Sam MularczykSam Mularczyk, almost 4 years ago

      I think your last two points can be answered by - Windows laptop makers haven't perfected the laptop by any stretch. There isn't one laptop you can point to and say "this is definitely a good buy, everyone will enjoy using this". This is a big deal, a powerful all-rounder that you can purchase knowing it has good support and great build quality.

      The focus on the keyboard is probably because the Surface line has historically had lesser quality keyboards than traditional laptops - they look to really be changing that perception this year.

      Windows trackpads have been woeful in the past (usually Synaptics-powered things). Microsoft taking the reins and making native touchpad support is a good sign. But yeah, it's another thing that we take for granted, Macbook trackpads are miles better than any Windows equivalents.

      2 points
      • Jesse HeadJesse Head, almost 4 years ago

        The focus on the keyboard is probably because the Surface line has historically had lesser quality keyboards than traditional laptops - they look to really be changing that perception this year.

        My thoughts exactly.

        1 point
      • Andy StoneAndy Stone, almost 4 years ago

        Ok, that makes total sense. I haven't used a Windows laptop for an extended period of time in the past few years, but I always notice the touchpad/keyboard not feeling as responsive as the Mac. It's interesting that they focus on this—at least they admit when they had a weakness.

        0 points
      • Josué Gutiérrez Valenciano, almost 4 years ago

        Well the new glass trackpad on the Surface book is almost the same as the Macbook, Windows 10 supports new gestures. Part of the cross license between Apple and MS. I can't stand a Macbook pro just because doesn't have a touchscreen, my toshiba has it and I am faster on doing this just by touch them.

        1 point
    • Duncan RussellDuncan Russell, almost 4 years ago

      The music was so over-dramatic I couldn't help but lol. Shots were great though.

      0 points
  • Brennan Smith, almost 4 years ago

    You toucha my screen I breaka your finger.

    3 points
  • Ryan MackRyan Mack, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

    Just when you think it's over, screen: eject! Seemed like a trailer for an intense action/drama flick. And they're still going with that wallpaper?

    2 points
    • John PJohn P, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

      And they're still going with that wallpaper?

      Considering they hired GMUNK for it then I'd say yes… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hL8BBOwupcI

      To be fair they put more care and attention into this than Apple did with their ElCap wallpaper which was just a case of finding a nice photo.

      4 points
  • George ChenGeorge Chen, almost 4 years ago

    The hardware design reminds me of the Ti Powerbook (1997) which I love. Flat surfaces with just the right rounded corner. Very classy design.

    2 points
  • Philip LesterPhilip Lester, almost 4 years ago

    Wow that is epic music for a laptop commercial.

    1 point
  • Aikomo OpemipoAikomo Opemipo, almost 4 years ago

    Looking forward to buying one just to have it. Really wish it was a mac

    1 point
  • Hanu Man, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

    Apple will have to dust off this patent: http://www.stuff.tv/news/apple-patent-shows-hybrid-macbook-and-ipad-device

    1 point
  • Ed AdamsEd Adams, almost 4 years ago

    This seems awesome! I'm really excited for a rotating laptop that actually rotates properly (i.e., flips and rotates so that the keyboard is on the inside). Having used one of those Lenovo laptops that can flip into a tablet but has the keyboard underneath, that's really annoying...

    Depending on how they price this, it might be a really big hit.

    1 point
  • Jaime SelvaJaime Selva, almost 4 years ago

    Once closed is going to be very dirty...

    0 points
  • Hanu Man, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

    I look forward to seeing the Apple counter proposal.

    Although it may not seem, this SurfaceBook is very easy to beat, at least from the design topic (form/factor).

    0 points
  • Andrew Michael ToddAndrew Michael Todd, almost 4 years ago

    The WinBook Pro / WinPad Pro.

    0 points