I always felt they're working on something big, and here it is... I think they might win our hearts back..
Wouldn't hurt if they lowered the price of subscription a bit.
I think I'm just going to start taking my tax return and using it to help purchase yearly subscriptions of all the junk I've got now: Adobe, Spotify, Dropbox, etc.
Those should all be tax write offs anyway. Those are business expenses.
How is Spotify a business expense?
I personally can't work without music; It's like a pencil, speakers or even the lamp on your desk.
Doesn't make it a business expense. That's a personal preference.
If it helps you get the job done then it is a business expense.
Nope. Still not a business expense
If they decide to provide a Spotify account great but it would be filed as a perk not a business expense. Unless of course the company relied on Spotify to operate.
That's not how business expenses work. I own the company and the office plays Spotify in it. The subscription is tied to my work email. We play it all day. It's a business expense, just like the internet, Trello, Slack, etc.
It's a write-off, Jerry.
We play Spotify on speakers in our office all day. Just like the speaker was a business expense, the monthly subscription for the Spotify account is too.
Oh wow. I want to work at your office. My company doesn't pay for Spotify. But we are old school large company so. I'm assuming you're at a startup?
Not like Spotify costs $200 a month. Save two Starbucks for it.
It's a studio I run.
I guess it varies. I work on a small corporate digital team for a large radio/publishing company. A request for a Spotify sub would yield sideways looks. But it would be awesome to have that paid for.
If $10/month is too much to boost team morale, well, now you know how they feel about you.
They aren't going to pay for my Spotify subscription. It doesn't mean they don't appreciate my employment.
I see your point though. We definitely work at different types of companies.
I would rather they keep the price where it is and use the profits on products like this. Hell, I would happily pay a bit more my Adobe subscription is this ends up being a Sketch/Flinto/Invision combination.
I think it will happen sooner or later, they're big enough and smart enough to wake up before it's too late.
I was lucky enough to be able to demo the product already, and there is definitely some potential. Some of the things that really impressed me were:
Speed - Project Comet is fast. No delay/lag with quickly zooming in and out at all.
Repeat Grid - I think they solved this problem quite nicely. It's like the content generator for Sketch but built in.
Prototyping - You are able to quickly switch to prototype mode, and see a preview really easily.
How can others get on this early tester list? I'd love to help contribute!
Me too :O
Me three :<
Hope it works on windows
That might actually be a good reason for a lot of people to switch but in the past Adobe failed at creating performant cross platform products.
Not true, After Effects performs beautifully. It's just everything else that either sucked on one OS or sucked on the other.
Huh? The entire Creative Suite is currently great on Windows.
"The whole engine was built from scratch to be truly native to OS X, an approach that hasn’t traditionally been associated with Adobe, and it really shows." – Khoi Vinh
Hi Pubudu, the first preview release will be for Mac, but we are committed to bring Comet on Windows as well.
...soon after or years after?
Hi Jim, we want to make sure we are a good native citizen taking advantage of the latest technologies on Windows as well as expected user experience. I don't have a public timeline to share with you at this moment, but we are committed to Windows version.
so, years then. thanks.
Guys... this actually looks pretty good. Love the flexible design/prototype interfacing. I'm excited. Please don't let us down, Adobe!
Glad to see them stepping up to the plate. Sketch has been a breath of fresh air, but its moving too slow. Designers really need a tool like this, thats more all in one, including interactions and animations and useful deliverables from them.
Knowing Adobe's history of listening to their community and waiting years to make needed updates, my biggest concern is how slow Adobe moves.
Sketch may not update as frequently as they once did, but I can't count the number of times I've chatted with a human within a day of reporting a bug, and seen it fixed within the next update.
Hi louie, I am the product manager of Project Comet. Please ping me any time in the future once you get your hands on it.
Tom Krcha (@tomkrcha on Twitter)
Meh. An announcement about a product that is months away is unexciting at best. Sketch, Principle and InVision have nothing to worry about when it comes to Adobe.
definitely less exciting, it's a bummer to wait 3+ months for this. Especially when the features they are touting already exist. But I'm still curious to try it anyways.
There's this thing called "feedback" that companies like to get before launching a product. Not sure if you've ever heard of it, but sometimes it requires a few months notice.
Since 2014 I'm wondering if I should force myself to dive into the sketch universe while I'm using Adobe products only at work... and this just got me excited.
The interface looks suspiciously similar to Sketch. Just saying.
Eh, I disagree. Sketch looks like a native Mac app and Comet looks like an Adobe app with a light theme. The only similarity I see is that Comet has fixed and integrated property panels. Big whoop.
The big difference here is Comets toolbar being on the left–I wonder where they put layer handling or if they've possibly got a different paradigm at play.
[...] or if they've possibly got a different paradigm at play.
Now that would get me excited.
Weird how two tools that accomplish similar tasks have similar UI!
Thanks guys, really appreciate your feedback. We want to build a great tool for you, a tool for designers by designers. We are here for you and you can ping me on twitter (@tomkrcha). I am happy to discuss your workflows and how can we make Project Comet tailored for your needs as we have a great opportunity to tune many essentials you need every day. Let us know. We are listening...
Any chance for a beta program or copies being distributed?
Hi Christian, you can sign up for more info at http://adobe.ly/comet and we will keep you posted.
I'm surprised at how good this looks. Will it challenge Sketch though? Really looks like it might.
Sketch has some amazingly powerful vector tools for a UI program. I have this uneasy feeling that Comet will have less powerful vector features, so as to not compete with illustrator.
Lets hope it integrates really well with Illustrator instead. Otherwise it'd just be doing Photoshop all over again. They should leave Illustrator for vectors, Photoshop for photos and Comet for UI. Making the apps link together will be key.
Hi Ollie, definitely, we are looking at very tight integration with Photoshop and Illustrator via local workflows and we are really committed to make it as seamless as possible. Next to that, we are also planning to integrate products together via synced Creative Cloud Libraries, so you can easily transfer assets between the products and across the team.
it sure will
This looks really cool, and I can't wait to try it but the part I'm mostly excited about is how positive & hopeful people are about this. Too often you open an Adobe thread, or just a thread about a new tool in general, and all you see is a sea of animosity.
It's nice to see the community unified in excitement! Don't let us down, Adobe ;)
1:13:30 — Photoshop
1:22:00 — Project Comet
Flash!! Really? – Shouldn't be surprised I guess.
Looks promising. I hope they don't disappoint with the vector tools though, as Sketch has a really powerful set of features that I use often.
Also, I wonder how the layers work. I never saw a layer panel during any of the demos.
I thought the same thing... no layers in the demos. I thought that was weird since organising layers is such a big part of the work when dealing with apps like Photoshop and Sketch.
And some of their designs in the demo looked layered. Such as when they had a nav menu halfway over the content.
One more to the pile.
This looks surprisingly good. Excited to try it out!
This is great. Now all I request is simply a one time price like Sketch. If they keep the subscription model (which I'm sure they will) I'll never make the jump....legally.
Reserve judgement until you need to use it for a real project. Adobe's CC is getting saturated with software that is done better by someone else, for cheaper.
When Muse was first announced there was such excitement. In truth none of us actually use it – those who do say that it doesn't produce good enough code.
With Comet the issue could be similar. Exciting at first, but sadly let down by implementation when producing actual work.
Project Comet is focused on communicating your design idea with your stakeholders (clients, team, etc.). We are not planning to generate code from the prototypes as we learned that it is very tricky to support everyone's specific needs (such as different frameworks, etc.). However you will be able to share the prototypes with other people very seamlessly. We will be sharing more about how it works later this year.
I'd also like to understand what are your challenges when you design and what do you think we should do better.
I just feel like I'm a scribe forced to re-write dozens of papyrus while Gutemberg just invented Printing. But "Coming early 2016"
Huge congrats to the project comet team! This is a rad effort that will please a lot of folks. And I'm glad to see the warm embrace so far -- there's a lot going on at Adobe in the UI/UX space. The Age of Darkness might be lifting. ;)
Thanks Charles! Can't wait to share more soon.
One question they haven't answered is what file format will Comet use? If it's a new proprietary format, and the app is indeed OSX only, this could create a whole range or problems.
For Sketch, this was such a problem that it ended up creating an entire market for apps like Zeplin or Avocode.
We’ll have more to say about the file format later, but our intent is to create a file format that is easy to inspect, so tools outside of Comet can pull information out of it easily. Stay tuned.
Since I work with tools that do code generation and project structuring based on designs (and interactions/logic) from other apps, I'd more than a little interested in knowing more about this.
A merge between sketch & invision, probably the kind of tool we need now. But I fear the cloud subscribtion...
Looks incredibly slick, I'm looking forward to checking it out.
I get the feeling that Adobe are confusing the prototype and design phases though. When you're prototyping, final look and feel don't matter. In fact they get in the way.
The reason why tools such as Balsamiq are useful for prototyping is that they actively discourage the use of images, colors etc in the prototyping phase.
Still keen to kick the tires when it gets released though.
Hi Sophie, you will be able to combine basic visual components and build wireframes in Project Comet as well, without really skinning or visually polishing them.
Would you have any proposal how would you like it to work?
is it just me that feels that something is off in the video? why aren't they looking toward the camera? feels strange.
It's so scripted/controlled it kinda looks unnatural..
Please include some of this adaptive layout functionality… https://medium.com/bridge-collection/modern-design-tools-adaptive-layouts-e236070856e3
+10000. also using real data sounds like an amazing feature: https://medium.com/bridge-collection/modern-design-tools-using-real-data-62d499e97482
Looks great, but at the end of the day all this tools promise more than them really offer.
For some time now, the design process has become in a bored and stressed task. And the principal cause is because the computer software can't go hand in hand (velocity) with our mind. The excess clicks, the panels chaotic, the oversaturated options, all this and even more, makes that design already don't been fun and ludic.
I hope that "Comet" can change the panorama, but sincerly seems more of the same.
In all this years I've collected many ideas about how should be an ideal software design, and I hope some day find a time and the correct developer, to make it happen.
Hi Hanu Man, we are sharing Project Comet early so to get feedback from designers. We really want the tool to belong to the community and you guys can help us shape it. I'd be happy to hear your thoughts on how you imagine an ideal UI/UX design tool.
Design without layers: In the web the elements are positioned like layers? Obviously no! But why we insist with the layered system? All elements in web are boxes/containers and would be great that we could design with this approach. At first glance Comet doesn't have a layer system and its "Repeat Grid" is insane, a very great solution, even so, all the design elements are totally "floating".
Honest Tools: It is ilogical that if I design for web, all my stuff are encapsulated in a propietaries formats like .psd .ai .sketch. Maybe Comet not must generate code, but maybe whether could use the same (code) rules with which all websites are coded. Nowadays CSS is pretty powerful, so ... is really necessary that all tools add an extra level of abstraction? We need tools that allow us "design" with CSS, that's all!
Complete Workflow: Is great that Comet offer us an additional "space" to liven up our designs. I totally agree with have a space for design and other to add interaction but ... what about the initial stage or the first iterations of our designs? Could be useful a space with fast and simple tools, that allow us generate and explore a bunch of sketches, focusing on the content instead of the visual aspect. Check out to the WriterPro's workflow
Absolutely blew my mind! The grid tool is a God send. And the amount of things in the document (if you watched the MAX conference demo) is staggering.
I'm definitely going to give that preview a spin!
Another way to capture ppl to pay a monthly fee. Sketch, Framer, etc, they're going after you.
Dat moment when Adobe Comet doesn't have Zeplin Support. Oh well back to Sketch...
You can use adobe assets. Upload your files and developers have everything they need there. https://helpx.adobe.com/creative-cloud/help/extract-css-images-psd-files.html
tfw comet isn't out until 2016 so its a bit premature for any judgments of its features and capabilities
Adobe Comet, very exciting!
fyi, we will have a demo of Project Comet in the max keynote this morning. (Keynote starts at 9:30 AM PST, demo is about an hour or so in).
You can watch the stream at http://max.adobe.com
In the future you can get around those by changing the browser User Agent to iPad.
Need Design to Developer tools.. Zeplin & Invision are doing it.
This is quite an unexpected and delightful surprise. Didn't know Adobe were cooking this up.
Looks very very promising, but we’ll have to be patient:
[…] as we lead up to a preview release in early 2016 […]
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There are enough bugs still existing in Sketch to warrant something like this. Who knows, it could be really good?
Also it could be awful.
Yes, im exited already!
Looks very much like Sketch and Invision-like prototyping.
Would love to test this out here at Microsoft
Sketch + Principle
I think it's more like Sketch + InVision.
This looks pretty cool. I can't wait to actually give it a test drive.
The vectors pixels creating a stir in the market, but i see this as evolution of design tools. Sketch give good time to Adobe to come up 'something'. It will be interesting as designer rolling out design in their favourite tools and at the back burner the competing companies, keep scratching their hand to keep/win the customer base.
Just wondering its all mobile UI focused? Can't we use this for building Websites (Responsive Websites) ?
I see too much hysterism around this, whether for bad or good. Let me help you guys calm down:
Its OS X native, and no one knows if there's gonna be a Windows release at this point. But I highly doubt it, given that they've built it from scratch and around the OSX engine.
Hi Antonio, we are working on OSX native so we can leverage the best of the platform and make it really fast and optimized. The first public preview will be for Mac. However Project Comet is architected in a way that will let us bring it on Windows as well and we are committed to it.
Massively disappointing that they're focusing it only on being available on Mac and have no plans or schedule for a Windows version where after killing Fireworks and seeing Sketch take big chunks out of the Mac designer market Windows users are left somewhat in the dark here while the Mac market has another app.
Hi James, the first public preview will be for Mac, but we are very much committed to bring Project Comet on Windows.
Tom Krcha (Product Manager, Project Comet)
Thanks for your reply Tom! Do you guys have a timeline for the Windows release? It's bad enough that you have us gasping for three months.. How long till this beauty will be available for the poor Windows outsider? I can understand the OSX-first approach given that this is a direct answer to Sketch.. but we exist too, dammit :'(
And we are definitely thinking about you guys and will deliver. We want to make sure we are a great native citizen on Windows taking advantage of the latest technologies. I don't have a public timeline to share with you at this moment. But it's definitely coming.
So it seems like we still care about Adobe. #adobestillrocks
Looks promising. Another tool at our dispense couldn't hurt. Lets hope for the best.
It looks pretty snappy in the video. I hope thats the case for the final release.
Bring it on.