8 years ago from Philip Lester, CEO @ Dreamten & GiveForms
Wacom finally has real competition w/the new iPad Pro and Pencil. The low latency and variable pressure rates seem to address the issues I had w/Wacoms.
How many of you are planning on getting one? If so (or not), why? Would love to hear your feedback on why this may or may not be a great tool for design.
Seems silly to get one if it's not running OS X
I hear what you're saying, though I have a feeling companies will create companion iPad apps to their OSX counterparts. For ex, if Bohemian Coding made a live view iPad app that let you use the iPad to draw in Sketch, I'd buy in a heartbeat.
Just curious, but why would you want to draw with an iPad on Sketch?
You can use the pencil tool to draw freeform.
Wouldn't it be cheaper to use a non-Pro iPad with a stylus or a Wacom tablet?
But then who would get my $800???
I have a feeling this is incorrect. Not super lucrative to do this.
Maybe Swift will make it easier to do this?
It's not development cost — it's support + an arbitrarily low selling price required to compete.
The thing with that is the current ipad feels totally efficient for that type of work. Just doesn't make sense to get a tablet that huge that's running the same OS as my iphone.
That's why you will be able to use it as an external display, then you'll have your Mac running OS X on your desk and you'll be on your couch drawing :)
It can be used as an external display?!
WHOAAAAAH!
Yeah (duetdisplay) or even http://astropad.com/ipad/
Or even probably with the upcoming new Airplay revamp (bi-directional?)
Ooh, Airplay-revamp too? Fancy.
Here's an article http://9to5mac.com/2015/09/11/apple-ios-9-airplay-improvements-screen-mirroring/
I think it's the first step.
When Tim Cook said “This is the clearest expression of our vision of the future of personal computing”, I don’t think he was joking. It sounds odd to most people now, but I think as iOS grows it will eventually come to be the successor to OS X.
Doubtful
I would argue the future is already here when it comes to "personal computing" and mobile operating systems dominating the namespace. When it comes to production, on the other hand, it's hard to imaging producers creating content on devices targeted towards consumers.
Agreed
Absolutely.
Compare the rate at which these multitouch interfaces have been mutating and developing to the mouse GUIs of the 80s.
These things are on fire.
Rather contribute to my 401k.
Hmm, maybe I should get one of those.
I was saving up for the 13" Cintiq touch but the iPad Pro threw a wrench in that. The iPad Pro + Pencil + AstroPad seems like a great alternative. I'm waiting until I can try one out in stores before I buy.
Exactly what I was thinking. Seems like using it with Astropad would make it a good Cintiq alternative that also runs iOS when you want it.
I had to look up Astropad and then remembered I had it bookmarked. Wow. I can't wait for the iPad now!
Never heard of Astropad before, this looks... amazing...
You might want to check into some reviews first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OPIOcaMfVs
Depending on your needs, AstroPad might not be accurate/fast enough.
Thanks for linking to that review. I imagine there will be an update to Astropad before the iPad Pro releases, but in any case, at least they offer a trial.
Yes they told it in their blog :) Happy
AstroPad on current iPad. But on the pro the processor/memory and storage read/write is way higher! So it might be almost seemless (if you have a really good wifi or if you plug it in)
I'm too poor
I'm definitely going to wait for the Surface Pro 4.
As someone who still writes and sketches a lot in a real spiral notebook, I'm pretty compelled to give the iPad Pro a chance. What I saw during the Apple event caught my attention, and after seeing the latest update to Fifty Three's Paper, I could really see myself finally making the switch.
My fear is one of iOS being less backwards compatible. My iMac from 2011 still works beautifully, even if Apple were to suddenly stopped supporting it, I might get away by installing Linux or Windows, or by staying with the last compatible OS X version.
My iPad 1 from 2011 on the other hand is useless for anything besides being a glorified ebook reader. This is shame because the hardware is still pretty good.
I suppose Apple is doing a better job at this now, but if I'm buying a device which is meant to be on par with the Macbook (Air/Pro), it shouldn't be that in a few years I'm stuck on an older version of iOS which can't run the latest versions of apps while app developers move on to only support the latest and greatest iPad Pro.
There actually is an OS X tablet called the "Modbook Pro". They basically take a Macbook Pro and add a touchscreen and wacom tablet to it. It's rather expensive however, but it might suit people who need OS X. There were also hackish ways of getting OS X on the Surface.
I think there really ought to be an affordable Android-powered tablet which can double as a Wacom tablet and a standard external display.
I wish Android just came out with better drawing apps. I have a Nexus 10 from 2012 and it runs the latest Android version (Lollipop) and has held up great. But there isn't much for me to do on it that I can't do on my computer already.
This is exactly right. I see pros still using upgraded 2009-era MacBook Pros with no real issues – and writers still subsisting with even earlier hardware... but my 2011-era iPad is now barely functional, as developers have dropped support, and iOS' App Store structure makes it impossible to install older versions of apps that once would have worked fine.
Until I could be sure that an iPad Pro had as much longevity as other Apple pro hardware, it would be tough to justify the purchase.
Assuming it works well and no major flaws come out in the hands-on reviews, I'll definitely get one. I find anything that changes my workspace to be a huge help. I look forward to being out of my office chair and away from my desk. I also look forward to using it on photo shoots, to do on-the-spot editing and sharing of images (I sometimes shoot live sports events where this would be useful).
I really want one primarily for drawing + reading news. But at the same time I don't want to buy one more unnecessary device. It gonna be a hard decision anyways.
Buying the whole set!
Yeah!
FiftyThree's Paper app + Pencil has already changed my design workflow. I now use them for most of my initial design sketches during the early stages of product development. I attach digital copies of sketches from Paper to our user stories and always bring them with me to any design discussions or technical deep dives. They have proved invaluable.
With that said, the combo still suffers from the small blob size and overall lack of platform support in iOS up to 9. I am super excited by the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil and can't wait to use them instead with Paper and other advanced apps. Aside from all the other benefits of a superpowered, larger iPad, the benefits to my design process will definitely compel me to buy it.
(One thing to add: I do wish the combo were at least $100 cheaper. Such is the Apple Tax. Le sigh.)
I for one don't think it's that much better than the regular iPad to justify the cost, especially considering two of the biggest selling points are the keyboard and stylus, which will run another $250.
You could buy a refurbished Surface Pro 3 on newegg with an i5 processor and save fifty bucks off the iPad Pro price. Better deal IMHO
I can't justify getting one for how I use a tablet. Even with the drawing, I don't think it would be worth the investment personally.
I was going to buy an iPad before I heard rumors of a Pro version and I'm glad I waited. I'm definitely getting it, with the Pencil and case too. This is the worst time to spend that much on myself because Christmas presents and such, but I just won't be buying new games and other things for a month, haha!
I know weight is a big factor for many people, but I already carry my MacBook Pro, notebooks, and a hoodie in my daily carry anyway, so meh. I'm also enamored by the full on-screen keyboard...even though I know next year's iPad Pro will get Force/3D Touch. I also have big hands so I don't anticipate experiencing difficulty with managing it.
Probably the main reason for me to get this is to test and create new interfaces. I'm doing a little OS work on the side and I think the form factor of the Pro will yield fun suprises. Oh, and I can get back into drawing.
I think most pros will be waiting for the "killer app" before purchasing this. I personally don't use a tablet drawing device, but I know a few people who do and I think they would be more than happy to pay the premium to get more out of their device.
It's in the early stages but I am working on something like that https://www.designernews.co/stories/55743-graphic-design-app-for-ipadipad-pro
Missing such an "perfect app" is why we actually started this project. Not saying it's perfect at all because it is still in beta. While the first version will be sort of an MVP we have plans for some amazing features.
I can't justify the price for something that might have features like 3D Touch next year, etc, etc, etc
Here's my thoughts on the iPad Pro and Apple Pencil. https://medium.com/@randyellis/why-the-ipad-pro-and-apple-pencil-is-a-fail-for-now-25cad91649e1
I might look into it. Haven't replaced my iPad since iPad 2 and it's starting to feel old.
"If you need a stylus, you already failed" https://youtu.be/w2xPt8txgGs?t=44
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