So, this is the community a lot of Reddit users fled to in protest after the subreddit dedicated to harassing fat people was closed?
What a lovely place it must be.
Yeah, Voat is where the newly banned subreddits are popping up again. It's a disgusting place.
I think a lot of people "fled" to Voat not simply because "the subreddit dedicated to harassing fat people was closed" but that other hateful subreddits like coontown and SRS were not.
It's not easy to define what harassment is in a lot of cases, but whilst I'm not going to mourn fatpeoplehate, I am totally put off by nebulous and inconsistent rules about where harassment begins and ends.
The problem with FPH is that they legitly harassed people and their mods actively encouraged it. This harassment included brigading people's twitter and youtube profiles, which is not only against reddit's own rules, but can be against the law in some areas. This is not really a problem with the subs you listed, despite their content being similar. Do notice that subs like fatpeoplelogic are still active, which does not witchhunt people.
I seem to recall FPH enforcing a NP link standard in addition to having harassment/brigading rules. Can you back up the claim that FPH mods "actively encouraged legitimate harassment"?
Here are some examples in an article from Vox. You can search subs like SRD for a more indepth view.
Other than a quote from Pao about banning harassing subreddits when "moderators don’t take action" I don't see anything in the Vox article about moderators "actively encouraging harassment"; I'm skeptical if this was ever the case.
In a time where automoderator is built into reddit and default configs are posted by the plenty, failure to prevent witch hunts is either willful negligence or direct malice. Before the ban, I can guarantee you the admins messaged them on multiple occasions. I know this to be true because the sub I moderate always get admin messages when we're doing something detrimental(often times, crashing reddit every sunday between September and February).
"SRS" and "hateful" in the same sentence
Let's not gloss over the sexualized minors and child porn being distrubuted on Voat.
How quickly people forget the /r/jailbait fiasco…
Congrats to the PR folk at Reddit though, they've done a brilliant job at painting over the fact it's basically the anus of the internet, pretty much just 4chan wearing a fedora and carrying a copy of the God Delusion.
Don't really see how it was any different than most of Reddits content, cringepics is the exact same thing and both subs had the same censorship rules. Yet cringepics and /r/coontown get to stay…
Let's not pretend for a minute that most of Reddit isn't a pretty awful place
Certainly not defending the fat hate bit, just pointing out the exact same content makes up many popular parts of the site why stop at one sub burn cringepics etc down too if it truly is a "safe space" you want
It's every bit as rotten as you imagine. An unusually high amount of vitriolic people end up there as their last resort once their hate-communities are closed on other social media platform. Once there, they cry and meow about "free speech" even while censoring people who disagree with them by gaming Voat's terminally broken rule system through brigading.
Yes, the site that has been shut down by several countries (and payment services) for hosting child porn and other content.
The site that started because people were getting banned from Reddit for posting stolen celebrity nudes and child porn.
The site that has grown because some hate forums on Reddit were shut down.
I find myself spending more time on designer news then reddit nowadays.' ヽ(´▽`)/ And just as 8chan never killed 4chan, Voat will never ever kill reddit.
Neither killed the other, but their existence further legitimized the hateful, iconoclastic culture that was being phased out for their vitriolic behavior as some kind of viable alternative. This has had a devastating effect on the quality of discourse in both venues because now if you hear something you don't like you can simply move to the site that most closely matches your biases and pretend that not hearing dissenting view points means you're right.
People who believe they are entitled to their own facts are damned dangerous.
Yeah it wishes it could become Reddit. Most of the content on voat's homepage is regurgitated from reddit anyways, and now that the reddit ex-CEO has stepped down, there's little reason for the rebellious reddit crowd to flock to it anymore.
If anything, it'll serve as a cool new toy for some people for a week and then eventually everyone will forget about it.
Here's the iOS app: http://i.imgur.com/gROAT7s.jpg
no, that's a jpg
Voat is not a reddit killer. Actually this is a good thing. It would keep away the horrible people think that 'hate' is free speech.
Hmm. Maybe. But I would argue giving bigots a safe haven where they do not have to hear dissenting view points, nor defend their own factually, is a bit like seeing a fire in the back room, closing the door, and pretending everything will be okay. They now have a legitimized safe harbor and just as surely as belief informs behavior, it will spawn real world consequences if left to fester long enough.
I don't know anything about Voat. But, how was everybody seeing these awful subreddits unless they were following or looking at them specifically? I've (luckily) never seen any of these things...
Voat is no Reddit killer. It's far better described as a collection of Reddit's most vitriolic subs that they wisely cast off for being both entirely too extremist and potentially legally hazardous to the site.
A lot can be said about Reddit's increasingly draconian censorship and the cavalier way its leadership ignores users' needs for some basic privacy. But if Reddit is the tyranny of the crown, Voat is the tyranny of the majority. To explain, you need to understand some things about how Voat currently works.
New users are subject to post throttling that scales with a karma-like "currency" called ccp. You get to make something like 10 posts a day, which goes up to 5 posts an hour etc etc based on how much ccp you get.
CCP can go up or it can go down. Downvoting on Voat doesn't just bury your post, it prevents you from making them,.
You cannot upvoat unless you have a certain amount of ccp.
You cannot downvote for any reason unless you have even more ccp.
The system appears at first glance setup to defend the site from spamming and alternate accounts, which it certainly does. But along with the afore mentioned extremist demographic who tends to find themselves on Voat with a much higher frequency than other social media platforms, the system punishes new users! If you show up on Voat and don't agree with the hive mind, you literally cannot participate. You will be downvoted into censorship. Far worse is the unreal level of brigading that goes on. For those not in the know, this is where orchestrated efforts are made to single out someone and downvote them. The system has dug a pit for new users who run afoul of any one of a number of highly partisan, vitriolic extremists that they literally cannot get out of. They are not given enough posts to address the dozens of insultingly spammy accusations of being a "schill" and each downvote that comes with that spam further decreases the victim's ability to have access to the free speech everyone on Voat is so mouthy about.
On Voat "freespeech", an idea which was put in place to defend UNPOPULAR SPEECH, doesn't matter unless you agree with the hive. And with utterly 0 hyperbole I can tell you the hivemind on Voat easily puts 4chan to shame. Reddit may be an increasingly distasteful platform, but Voat is far FAR worse.