57 comments

  • Kyle ConradKyle Conrad, over 5 years ago

    Much easier to read.

    And of course, Reddit never disappoints with stupid comments from ignorant people.

    37 points
    • Daniel FoscoDaniel Fosco, over 5 years ago

      Right? Redditors will always find something to bitch about.

      18 points
    • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

      agreed, who cares what the users think!

      8 points
      • Kyle ConradKyle Conrad, over 5 years ago

        Welllllllllllllll OK. Do you trust fact-based research and user testing or do you trust loudmouthed commenters who will hate on anything and everything that's even the slightest bit different?

        15 points
        • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

          i'm not aware there was any research or testing done. can you point me to it? all i see is a series of announcements saying it's coming, with consistently unanswered objections and concerns along the way.

          2 points
          • Kyle ConradKyle Conrad, over 5 years ago

            Reddit didn't have to do any in house research or user testing to determine that a slightly larger font and increased line-height leads to increased readability and reduced stress on the eyes, especially in areas where there is a lot of type (such as a comment section or paragraphs of copy). Many many many studies have been done that prove this.

            14 points
            • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

              quoting an "ignorant" commenter:

              Then why not increase the font 1000x fold? I'll tell you why: Because readability and functionality go hand in hand. You need both. And making the font larger does not increase functionality. It's a net loss from a design perspective. Net loss in user experience and also in information per page. I wish they would have hired someone who actually had some experience with large site designs instead of picking some fresh college grad who is trying to apply their "philosophy of design" courses to a real world situation.

              it's a bit aggressive, but completely valid criticism.

              2 points
              • Kyle ConradKyle Conrad, over 5 years ago

                It's not a net loss in user experience - making copy and comments easier to read decreases eye stress and most likely will lead to longer times of visits on site and increased engagements from visitors. Thus, it also increases functionality.

                In addition, from a design standpoint, having everything set in 12px type with a tight line-height felt like you had to know what was going on to join Reddit. The new, easier to read format feels more welcoming and could lead to increased signups and users, which is a good thing from Reddit's point of view (although not from the angry hivemind hordes).

                10 points
                • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

                  i'm finding reading a comment to be no easier than it was prior to the change, and it seems that i'm not alone. the larger text is completely imbalanced with the sizing and spacing of the rest of the site. paragraphs run together. windows rendering is poor. it looks out of place.

                  point being, there are more things at play than simply the

                  font-size and line-height.

                  2 points
                  • Phil RauPhil Rau, over 5 years ago

                    So, perhaps what you're saying is that a reddit design change should be made more holistically? Because a font increase was long overdue on Reddit. I basically avoid that site like the plague because the type & layout is so bad.

                    0 points
              • Chris ColemanChris Coleman, over 5 years ago

                This idiot is an idiot. It's not valid criticism.

                Then why not increase the font 1000x fold? I'll tell you why: Because readability and functionality go hand in hand.

                Because there are diminishing returns after a certain point. By this dolt's logic, why not decrease the font size? Small is good. Smaller is better!

                Net loss in user experience and also in information per page.

                I don't recall ever hearing that cramming as much text as possible onto a single page is the ultimate user experience.

                I wish they would have hired someone who actually had some experience with large site designs

                Could you imagine the reaction from jackasses like this if Reddit ever actually went all-in on a redesign?

                8 points
              • Jared CJared C, over 5 years ago

                Can't believe you are posting this seriously. This is not valid.

                0 points
                • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

                  sure is. the body text is the now largest text on the site. core functionality is marginalized because of this. user details, permalink, save, reply are all still tiny as hell. up/downvotes are de-emphasized. it's a hierarchical mess.

                  1 point
                  • Kyle ConradKyle Conrad, over 5 years ago

                    But up/downvotes were being de-emphasized pretty dramatically anyway with the last few updates, so I don't think Reddit cares so much about the effect on that aspect.

                    1 point
                    • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

                      sounds like a decision that should've included user testing and research.

                      0 points
                      • Jared CJared C, over 5 years ago

                        Who said they didn't? Commenters in a section of the site dedicated to commenting on changes (and I might add, always complaining about any change) are not some sort of confirmation that users do not like this change or that it doesn't meet its goals of improved readability. It's pretty settled that this sort of size+line-height improve readability.

                        2 points
                        • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

                          obviously, but that's not the point. the problem is that readability of comments was improved at the cost of overall usability.

                          0 points
  • Tom WoodTom Wood, over 5 years ago

    "Websites don't use fonts this big because they're harder to read, this makes no sense."

    That made my day.

    17 points
  • Derryl CarterDerryl Carter, over 5 years ago

    For real, though... If minor changes to a website's appearance command this much control over your emotional state -- then it's time to step away from the computer.

    6 points
  • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago (edited over 5 years ago )

    verdana though? top comment there says it all. what a mess.

    edit: top comment is no longer top. permalink

    3 points
    • Rick KhannaRick Khanna, over 5 years ago

      Even though Verdana is not as popular as it once was, I still think it is one of the most (if not the most) legible fonts on the web.

      3 points
      • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, over 5 years ago

        it's a relic from an era when 640x480 screens were standard and subpixel rendering didn't exist.

        4 points
        • Geoff YuenGeoff Yuen, over 5 years ago

          They only place where I like Verdana is on daringfireball.net. But Gruber understands that Verdana looks ok at very small sizes -- easy to read at that size? Not so much.

          0 points
  • Jeremy StewartJeremy Stewart, over 5 years ago

    How do I read full/long threads on Designer News? This is what I see.

    2 points
  • Roma KuraevRoma Kuraev, over 5 years ago

    Ah, those silly redit users and their CSS thingies. Of course it's an entirely reasonable change, why anyone on Earth would argue?

    Haha, jk. That's plain awful.

    2 points
  • Kat ☺, over 5 years ago

    To be honest, I don't really like it. Having said that, it won't stop me going on Reddit. In any event, Reddit is so awful to look at on desktop, I simply view it on an app on my phone. Increasing text size and line height hasn't really done much for them... users seem to either love it or hate it. How about they make it an option they can select and deselect?

    1 point
  • Saransh SinhaSaransh Sinha, over 5 years ago (edited over 5 years ago )

    This does make it easier to read. Don't know why people over there are so upset. Also, shameless plug here : If anyone wants to improve the readability even more (think Medium.com better), I made a Chrome & Firefoxextension. Every time you download it, a puppy gets adopted!

    1 point
  • Dan Boland, over 5 years ago

    The best part is that comments are still smaller than default paragraph sizing.

    1 point
  • Michael Cavalea, over 5 years ago

    Personally didn't think the body copy needed a bump but I'm glad to see the code blocks get larger. Hope it isn't an inconvenience to subreddits though.

    1 point
    • Daniel SamuelsDaniel Samuels, over 5 years ago

      Hope it isn't an inconvenience to subreddits though.

      Every subreddit with custom CSS has to go and make changes. Pretty inconvenient I would say.

      2 points
  • prakash nakraniprakash nakrani, over 5 years ago

    That's quite good, but no matter what reddit will be the best community to get information. Even though they decrease its readability.

    0 points