Very good question.
I find this debate bizarre. It's very short-sighted. A bunch of designers debating how to design an icon - instead of how to design an experience that doesn't need a save button. This is 2013.
agreed. saving will be obsolete in a few years. just highlights how pointless this debate is.
Another good point I heard is that the save icon is hardly even relevant any more. So many situations in which it used to be necessary now offer autosaving. My favorite example being Google Docs. A "save as" icon might still be necessary though.
Wanted to share this because it completely changed my mind on the matter of changing the save icon. There are so many other icons that are represented by things we no longer use.
That doesn't mean they're innately good. It just means we're using them.
I think the use over time of an icon or symbol does give it value. Changing them frequently with each generation would likely result in a lot of icons for the same thing which would be confusing for many folks.
Yeah, I agree. That's why I'm a big supporter of designing an icon that can contain the meaning of Save in a more abstracted, timeless way.
the thing is, icons like the save and search icons are so widely used and accepted that reference to the physical objects have become utterly irrelevant. those who don't know what a floppy disk is will see it simply as "the save icon."
thought the concept of saving documents is on it's was toward obsolescence anyway, so this entire debate is moot.
(thanks for posting my shot here btw!)
The Imperial unit system is also widely used and accepted. That doesn't mean it's a good measurement system. The fact that people associate a floppy disk icon to the concept of save in no way means it's a good icon. It just means that it's been grandfathered into general acceptance. Personally, that doesn't cut it for me.
Interestingly, I don't hear many people saying the floppy disk is a good icon. Just that it's accepted.
Just because we have a series of icons called an alphabet doesn't mean they are good. Just that they've been grandfathered into acceptance. Let's throw it out and replace it with something more abstract.
Letters are symbols, not icons. Big difference. That's a bad metaphor.
disagree. i'd argue that the floppy disk (in digital interfaces) has become symbolic.
Yes, and it's a bad symbol because it has no inherent or relevant symbolic meaning in its design.
By this point of view you sound more like you're in favor of reinventing a lot more than the save icon. I definitely agree with you on that. I think it would be amazing if all of these outdated icons received a makeover, however I don't think it will help to redo just the floppy disk.
Yup, ultimately, that would be my desire. The Save icon is the most egregious of examples of poor design that I can think of and one of the most important, so it's at the top o' the list.
the floppy disk is a good icon.