• Emily Campbell, almost 6 years ago

    There's no contrast here! Just because something looks pretty doesn't mean its effective for the masses. My grandmother uses an apple computer and she would have a really hard time with this. Concept or not, I don't understand the "redesigns" that focus only on visual aesthetics. That's not a redesign, it's a touchup. Product design is so much more than just visual paint, but it's things like this that cause people to think we just make things look pretty.

    46 points
  • Account deleted almost 6 years ago

    "During easter I took a stab at visually redesigning the Apple OSX."

    Why do people feel compelled to spend a day "redesigning" something as grand as an entire operating system and then feel it's solid enough to share with everyone? To be brutally honest, it totally looks like he just spent only a day on it. Are people too ADD nowadays to work on something over a few weeks/months and really think it through? Is the allure of Dribbble likes too hard to resist? #grumpypantsoverandout

    23 points
    • Victor ErixonVictor Erixon, almost 6 years ago

      Because people are free to do whatever they want to do without anyone telling them what they can do and what they cannot do. I believe everyone has their full right to share whatever they want on Dribbble or any other social platform. As you do have the right to complain about it. Hope that cleared some of that grumpiness :)

      8 points
      • Arma GetronArma Getron, almost 6 years ago

        He's not saying you don't have the legal right to post it on dribbble. He's questioning why you would want to share something that is clearly half-assed.

        8 points
      • Emily Campbell, almost 6 years ago

        If you're reading grumpiness out of all these comments then you are not actually reading them. The community is rightfully addressing the fact that your redesign is more of a visual reshuffling of the visual style of an operating system UI. That's fine in of itself, and I've noticed you now address this on your original Dribbble comment. You are more than free to post whatever work you would like, anywhere you like, Victor. However, you then need to be willing to accept that you are exposing yourself to the critical thought that work like this naturally evokes.

        Benjamin's point was not that you can't post your work. He is commenting on the fact that tweaking the visual style of a browser page and a few apps over a few days is far from redesigning the full OSx, and it's pretty pretentious to go so far as to present it, with a new name, as a complete piece of work.

        13 points
        • Victor ErixonVictor Erixon, almost 6 years ago

          What if it is a visual reshuffling? This all lead to a debate on how the new OSX should look and function which I see is a good thing, which was also my intention.

          The trolling and the bashing I just shrug off, I honestly don't care. But I decipher the feedback out of most of the grumpy people.

          So what do I take out of your comment? That I shouldn't share anything that I'm working on regardless if it's for fun or if it's a real project if it's just halfway done?

          Your points are valid, but I just don't think any designer should try to be above anyone else and tell them they can't play with something and experiment in a visual way. Then we're heading in the wrong direction.

          3 points
          • Account deleted almost 6 years ago

            Hey man.

            As others have stated, I'm not saying you shouldn't do what you did... but I'm struggling to understand why more and more designers in general feel compelled to spend a day on redesigning larger-scale projects such as an entire operating system and then share it in a way thats a lot more "look at me" than anything else.

            Maybe that wasn't your intention, but as soon as you go past "peeks" and show "marketing" shots and brand it... it gives off a very strong impression that you're done.

            I guess what I'm saying is that if you're going to redesign something as grand as this, I'd expect more screens, some description into how the new design solves problems the current interface creates, your thought process on things, etc. I guess I'm in the camp that's tired of seeing design used more and more as just a facelift or a facade... and not as a deeper process that makes an entire experience better. Especially with an operating system.

            I can't stand trolling, so I want to be clear that this was not my intention... but to be honest, I am calling you out for rushing something that I feel deserves more of your time. You clearly have some great ideas and decent style... IMHO, rushing things put you at a disadvantage. Good luck and I hope you keep plugging away at it.

            6 points
          • Emily Campbell, almost 6 years ago

            But you didn't explore its function at all, that's the point. You took the mailbox UI and stamped it on a few windows. No one is trying to be above you, and I think you are being overly defensive if all you took from my comments was that you shouldn't post anything.

            Good on you for putting yourself out there. However, you posted into a community that is intended (in part) to be a source for critique and feedback. There's no trolling going on. Put your big boy pants on. If you're going to publish "like" bait like this, then you have to be willing to accept that your peers will critique it.

            7 points
  • Joey Prijs, almost 6 years ago (edited almost 6 years ago )

    Oh my.

    What ever happend to "Design is not how things look but rather how things work"?

    So he took Mailbox's style and applied that on OSX. Without trying to solve the problems that come with that decision (poor contrast is one of them).

    Applause!! ...wait what?

    I understand he want's to have fun in his spare time.. But when I see pretty pictures like this getting over a thousand likes on Dribbble, I want to delete my account.

    Edit: I'm not targeting you Victor, I'm targeting the Dribbble community. How is it possible that a community filled with (professional) designers like your shot in mass while it's clear to everybody it's never going work in real life situations? Simply because it looks pretty (and pretty it is, i'm not denying that)?

    Since when have we become stylists? Don't you find it the least bit strange?

    9 points
  • Pasquale D'SilvaPasquale D'Silva, almost 6 years ago

    Lacks hierarchy.

    9 points
  • Robin RaszkaRobin Raszka, almost 6 years ago (edited almost 6 years ago )

    1000 likes!!! An ultimate proof this is a briliant piece of work. You guys are all wrong!

    7 points
  • Joey Prijs, almost 6 years ago

    So Victor took the time to comment on one of my shots after I commented on this thread.


    Look out peeps! Vic is coming to get you!

    6 points
  • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, almost 6 years ago

    looks a lot like https://dribbble.com/shots/576250-Windows-UI-Concept

    also, wtf is this.

    4 points
  • Account deleted almost 6 years ago

    Victor -not sure if it's common knowledge but the naming of future versions of OS X will be places in California. Mavericks was first. Safe to assume that they will do others like Yosemite, Big Sur, Sequoia, Shasta, etc.

    3 points
  • Brett JonesBrett Jones, almost 6 years ago

    Quite nice, but a little lacking in contrast in my opinion. But I'm not sure how it would hold up to everyday use the way OS X's current Aqua does for me.

    I'm just not that keen on a redesigned OS X, at least not to this degree.

    I'm fond of the result of the meticulous iterations Aqua has had from being rather over the top (when looking back) to the current rich, yet comparatively understated and refined look it currently has.

    Consumers seemed to be clamouring for a redesign of iOS prior to iOS 7. I just don't feel like the same sense of clamouring for a redesign of OS X amongst any Mac users I know...

    3 points
  • Kyle CaseKyle Case, almost 6 years ago

    --Insert rant about pointless dribbble redesigns--

    All that said, it's pretty. I like it a lot.

    3 points
  • Luke JonesLuke Jones, almost 6 years ago (edited almost 6 years ago )

    I wrote a blog post after seeing this redesign.

    Victor’s bold note in the first comment was added after I wrote this article.

    Good design ain’t pretty


    Sorry, I realised it’s proper cocky of me to just link to my post without adding any of my thoughts here. The following is true of many redesigns that are popular on Dribbble.

    Victor has every right to do a redesign, but he should not expect praise without scrutiny. The design has a lot of likes, but that doesn’t stop it from being a bad design. It causes more problems than it solves, and is just a lick of paint.

    My suggestion is to do a redesign but don’t post it to a public forum if you don’t want or can’t handle critique.

    I go into other points in my post, you should read it. It took me like 4 hours to write and edit.

    2 points
    • Victor ErixonVictor Erixon, almost 6 years ago

      Love your article, best feedback so far. I post things on Dribbble to get feedback and I rarely get anything constructive, but during this "controversial" post I've received more feedback than I've had on any of my earlier shots which is a great thing, a thing that proves that Dribbble is more than what you described.

      Regarding me not being able to handle critique, I think I'm doing pretty well handling the actual good feedback, the trolling and the basic bashing.

      Keep writing good articles!

      0 points
      • Miguel Oliva MárquezMiguel Oliva Márquez, almost 6 years ago (edited almost 6 years ago )

        Lately, I feel like designers have been über-sensible to redesigns and took a lot of bashing into this one, potentially, tired of all those previous unsolicited redesigns (If I see one more iOS7 re-imagined I'll shoot myself).

        People should be able to spend their free time doing what they want, and of course, everybody else will share their opinion about it when the design is displayed publicly. It's sad that the reaction to your design has been more aggressive than normally.

        I agree with @lukej and his article, particularly spot on about the white-space. It is nice having white space, but too much of it becomes a big problem. In my opinion, there's so much of it in here, that not only affects the amount of items displayed on a screen, but also makes me feel like some items are disconnected from each other, icons, list items and such, feel so separated between each other that it's hard to distinguish groups of elements (and thus, distinguish controls from content), the fact that there's no visual distinction between the controls area (frame) and the content itself makes it even harder to know where to click.

        I guess I'm missing a better use of colour, some grey shades to divide the space better and a better use of typefaces; the size is so tiny and the font-color so light that it is not comfortable to read through longer than 2 minutes.

        Your design reminds me a bit of Modern UI, it shares some of the benefits but suffers from similar problems, such as not being able to distinguish which app I'm at, or forcing the user to scroll a lot.

        This design has got some really cool ideas, but I feel it's needing some iterations to balance it more. You started with a design with a certain position, and kind of ran in the other direction (similar to the jump from iOS6 to 7's visuals), I'd recommend toning it down just a little and address some of Luke's feedback, then posting again. I find seeing the evolution of this concept more interesting that the concept itself. :)

        2 points
        • Joseph KeenanJoseph Keenan, almost 6 years ago

          You bring up an interesting point. The unsolicited redesigns get a lot of criticism, but I rarely ever see people respond to the criticism with a refined design that takes the criticism on board. Am I not seeing them because they don’t get the media coverage that the initial design gets, or does nobody actually take these next steps?

          As you say, it’d be really interesting to see one of these initial ideas evolve in reaction the mass audience they often garner – which can’t be too different to the kind of scrutiny the official apps/ sites/ etc themselves are working under.

          Perhaps that’s too close to working for free…?

          3 points
          • Account deleted almost 6 years ago

            I've actually seen this on Dribbble and even here. BUT, it is rare. I think the difference in those is that from the get-go, they embraced the idea of rebuilding. The initial tone is more open when they originally post too. It's a lot less "here it is!" and more "I want to do X and would love some input".

            To defend the OP though, he's getting criticism on everything from "time spent" to "too much white". With like 150+ comments in Dribble and another 35 or so here... he's got a lot to digest. I wouldn't expect him to start cranking out revisions. Primarily, because I'm sure the reaction has been completely unexpected and it takes time to digest it all. Also, secondly, I'm sure he's got a full-time job with real-life priorities.

            0 points
  • jj moijj moi, almost 6 years ago (edited almost 6 years ago )

    This is what I can call a truly unsolicited redesign: http://jonyiveredesignsthings.tumblr.com

    In case you can't read sarcasm well on the internet, I despise touch up & styling but labeled it as a redesign. Design is how things work. Style is how things look.

    As a teacher, I'm aware that it's simply just to have something to put on the portfolio when you just start out. Remember that, for students (or young designers alike), they have little to zero experience. Therefore, they aren't capable of addressing the needs or find the real underlying problem, and finally come up with a great solution. They go for the easy path - UI uplifting.

    For young designers, the more stuff they make and show to the people, the bigger the chance someone will notice them. How to start if you don't have client work yet?

    The starting point of learning art and design has always been copying. Rebranding a famous brand or redesigning any UI is a shortcut to learn how to create a comprehensive project. But students and as well self-taught designers tend to forget that it's just the beginning. The next step would be create a total conceptual/fictional brand or app from scratch.

    Why now bunch of designers doing these redesign? Because it's one of the easiest project out there to uplift the styling. It's has millions of users - meaning every viewer of the portfolio would know what wikipedia or OSX is, including the potential clients - to spot good/bad design (although there're a lot of clients who go with eye candy design - but that's another issue (which also partially caused by these designers don't educate clients well enough)). What these redesigners aren't aware is that, this is a step backward if they already have real clients. Student projects and fake redesigns should be buried deep as soon as they've got real clients. These redesign should be for practice only, not to further market yourself and get web traffic or likes. And dribbble has also changed. It used to be WIP - what you working on - not what you're practicing on. Fine, if you still insist wanting to show your visual experiments, but when you redesigning OSX, you make yourself a still target for trolls to throw stones at you. Learn to appreciate trolls.

    1 point
  • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, almost 6 years ago

    I'm hoping Apple doesn't take this direction. I'm crossing fingers so hard I will have an osteoarthritis.

    1 point
  • Jeff Ubelhor, almost 6 years ago (edited almost 6 years ago )

    I like a lot of ideas that this has, and must admit i've been a really big fan of a lot of the white and clean apps that have been coming out on OS X lately. I do think that focus is a bit rough in this mockup, telling which window is in focus is difficult. The Close/Minimize/Full-Screen buttons are definitely nice looking and a lot better for those that are colorblind, but i feel like without having at least a small border or background, the implied touch targets will be a bit small, especially on minimize. It also seems to be missing a dock, which I would like to see as I would like to see a few changes to the functionality and appearance of that

    Overall though, I think it has some good ideas, and is better than any of the other "flat mockups" that i've seen so far. I'm still not completely sold on the idea of a desktop os without some of the 3d elements, but this would at least be a nice gtk theme

    1 point
    • Victor ErixonVictor Erixon, almost 6 years ago

      Helpful feedback, just going to respond regarding the focus, this reason who none of the windows are dimmed out is because I wanted to show how every window looked. Obviously you wouldn't see all of those at once like that.

      0 points