32 comments

  • Andy MerskinAndy Merskin, 9 days ago

    Apple has no concept of a happy medium. You can either buy:

    1. Small: Shitty low-spec blob.
    2. Extra-Extra Large: Over the top machine that only 1% of its customers actually need.

    And the machines people do want (high spec MacBook Pros) come with TouchBars and whatever the hell else we don't want or need.

    Amazing machine. But why tho?

    14 points
    • Chris Johnston, 9 days ago

      Keep in mind, they kinda have to go big cause the new Mac Pro probably won't be updated until 2025 (I wish I was being facetious)

      5 points
    • Greg DGreg D, 8 days ago

      it's almost as if it's not aimed at you

      2 points
      • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 8 days ago

        his point was that nothing is, not the Mac Pro specifically.

        1 point
      • John PJohn P, 7 days ago

        The level of elitism surrounding this machine is extremely gross.

        0 points
        • Greg DGreg D, 6 days ago

          It's hard to take someone seriously who thinks Eli Schiff isn't a huge gobshite.

          0 points
    • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, 8 days ago

      Well, they have the iMac Pro.

      • iMac: for starters, professionals who cannot spend more than 3k.
      • iMac Pro: for professionals who want the power starting up from 5k.
      • Mac Pro: for professionals who will spend +10k
      5 points
      • Andy MerskinAndy Merskin, 8 days ago

        Oh absolutely! I may have been exaggerating a bit, and when I look a little deeper, I'm more focused on criticizing Apple's MacBook lineup.

        Right now, you cannot buy a reasonably spec'd MacBook Pro with dedicated graphics without a TouchBar, something I'm finding more people around the web and in media do not want in their machines because of how disruptive they are to their work.

        You can't buy a MacBook Air with an i7 anymore. The only MacBook Pro without a TouchBar offers an outdated i7 that barely scratches the i5 offering, for hundreds more.

        Still, in the pricing arena, it's a real challenge to achieve a mid-range setup with Apple because they rely on external GPUs so much, and needing to buy an enclosure alone puts you above mid-range pricing.

        0 points
        • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, 8 days ago

          I have Macbook Pro withtout touchbar. I've used a bit the one with Touchbar and it sucks, but over the time will get used to it. I also have to say that I use an external keyboard instead of the MBP's one.

          2 points
        • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, 8 days ago

          Honestly the touchbar has grown on me once I forced myself to use it. Now that I have my Macbook propped up on a stand with an external monitor, I can see and reach the touchbar easily and it makes a number of things faster once you get used to it.

          Particularly things like confirmation buttons, hidden UI controls, or other things that would require hunting around with my mouse on both monitors or remembering a new set of keyboard shortcuts, more often now I find them right there in the touchbar.

          The only thing that regularly annoys me about it is the escape button not being physical, and that's just a matter of tactile satisfaction.

          0 points
  • Andrei Rac, 10 days ago

    Full madness in every sense, power, price, design.

    8 points
  • John PJohn P, 11 days ago

    So glad I moved to PC and Nvidia 3 years ago instead of waiting for this. Now I not only have a machine that performs better than a Mac but one that looks more professional too.

    Immensely ugly external design. The interior looks good but the extremely selective benchmarking rubbed me up the wrong way, e.g comparing rendering performance to multiple Quadros on a PC when no one on PC is rendering using multiple Quadros (3 IIRC?) because GTX/RTX gives way better performance for a fraction of the price and instead choose to run 3 - 8 GTX/RTX cards instead.

    Also most rendering engines run on CUDA not AMD.

    8 points
    • Aaron Wears Many HatsAaron Wears Many Hats, 11 days ago

      Immensely ugly external design.

      Definitely don't agree with that. Everything else is valid, but I feel the industrial design of the case itself seems quite fitting.

      4 points
      • Emil Edeholt, 10 days ago

        I agree, the modernist factory feel is cool.

        1 point
      • John PJohn P, 10 days ago

        I just feel like the designers were more interested in doing an interesting manufacturing process with the air holes than just making something function first.

        0 points
        • Aaron Wears Many HatsAaron Wears Many Hats, 10 days ago

          I dunno, I'd be interested to see some flow testing done with it. Looking at everything about the machine, it does seem like it does function. I'd be wondering if the inner layer of mesh provides some level of passive cooling effect as well.

          0 points
  • Adam Fisher-CoxAdam Fisher-Cox, 11 days ago

    It's great and I'll never in a million years own one.

    7 points
  • Andrew Ciobanasiu, 11 days ago

    The AR section was a nice touch: https://www.apple.com/mac-pro#section-ar

    3 points
  • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, 11 days ago

    Most expensive Mac ever. It almost doubles the original trashcan mac price and the base spec is shit. Plus, 6k for the monitor, it's a 12k setup. I don't think most of us need to spend that, unless you do heavy video, 3D, etc.

    An iMac Pro would be your choice (6,6k for a reasonable one) and you will be good for many years (I still use my 2010 iMac).

    1 point
    • John PJohn P, 11 days ago

      An iMac Pro would be your choice (6,6k for a reasonable one) and you will be good for many years (I still use my 2010 iMac).

      Or you could buy a PC more powerful than a iMac Pro for half the price with doubled up GPUs and upgradable storage and I'm talking an actual nice and professional looking PC not a gamer turd.

      You'd be mad to spend the money on an iMac Pro if you're doing video or 3D.

      1 point
      • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, 10 days ago

        Well, the problem is you will be using Windows, unless you build a Hackintosh, which increases the problems when you want to upgrade de OS. The iMac is a reliable machine, mine still works like a rock. But I understand those who do everything on Windows, it's preferences, that's all.

        1 point
        • Aaron Wears Many HatsAaron Wears Many Hats, 10 days ago

          I've been using Windows, Linux and MacOS for more or less 30 years, which problems are you referring to? In terms of just using Windows, that is. Obviously hackintoshes aren't really good for much anyway.

          0 points
          • Diego LafuenteDiego Lafuente, 10 days ago

            Using Windows is not the problem. The problem is using macOS on a made up PC.

            0 points
          • Chris Johnston, 10 days ago

            Windows and Linux are the problem. Yes, both are stable, but...

            Windows is ugly and is constantly getting in your way. There is no consistency with it application to application. OSX just gets out of your way and lets you work.

            As for Linux, great for servers, but every version of desktop Linux I have ever used has always had problems. One place I worked where everyone was on identical hardware imaged from a single source all developed very different problems over time.

            OSX is consistent, beautiful, and gets out of your way and lets you work and, in my experience, never develops problems. It's just frustrating that the hardware is so expensive and inflexible.

            0 points
  • Aaron Wears Many HatsAaron Wears Many Hats, 11 days ago

    https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2019/6/3/18651208/apple-mac-pro-how-much-top-spec-price-estimate-ballpark

    Apple’s top spec Mac Pro will likely cost at least $35,000, That’s before you count the GPUs or a Pro Display XDR screen

    eeep

    1 point
    • Seb JachecSeb Jachec, 9 days ago

      With 1.5 TB of RAM being the largest approximate portion of that price @ ~$17,868.. crazy

      2 points
  • Jan SemlerJan Semler, 7 days ago

    Waited for the presentation of the Mac Pro. I want to dive deeper into Animation, 3D Modeling and Rendering. But therefore i need a powerful machine. I cannot pay 6000 $ for just an entry model. I will move back to Win since there are more render engines and plugins available and way more payable machines. I will live in two Worlds than, Sketch on Mac and 3D on Win. Thats really sad i love the mac environment.

    Another big NoNo is the lack of Nvidia Cards. There aren't supported because Apple wants to dig into the Architecture of the graphic chips which isn't allowed by Nvidia, because it is their IP. Apple doesn't take side of the user, instead they ditch Nvidia Cards, just because.

    The User is the Center of our efforts - F*** you Apple. You guys walked into the wrong direction, yes we wanted a powerful machine but we wanted also a payable entry level machine for "Pros" who need more performance not for the 0.1% of Hollywood Artists.

    0 points
    • Mike Wilson, 6 days ago

      I think there’s been a massive misunderstanding here based around the “pro” naming.

      The MacBook Pro has become so popular people think of it as a prosumer machine...however this Mac Pro is truly a “Pro” machine, there’s nothing Prosumer about it. If you are just dabbling in 3D rendering you are not a pro.

      You will be completely fine with an upgraded iMac or Mac mini or MacBook Pro or even the iMac Pro if you want to get crazy.

      If things like the ability to natively edit RAW 6K ProRes with Live Color correction and is of no benefit to you....why would you even think of buying a machine like this??

      It’d be like if you wanted to just try your hand at film production and bought a $40,000 RED camera (professional film gear) instead of a used canon 5D mark iii (prosumer film gear).

      1 point
      • Michael FMichael F, 3 days ago

        why would you even think of buying a machine like this??

        Because so many "Pros" won't be able to accept that this machine just isn't for them... I worry we'll see creative pros taking out loans to fund a machine that they'll then use for designing logos for startups and watching Netflix.

        People are so angry about the price because they want it, even though they literally have no use for its power.

        0 points