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Sketch 3.0(bohemiancoding.com)

over 9 years ago from David Hoogland, Founder / Designer Moonbase Co.

  • Martijn Otter, over 9 years ago

    Paying again, definitely NO go for me.

    2 points
    • Marcel Wichmann Marcel Wichmann , over 9 years ago

      Yeah, because $50 is such a great expense for a tool that's supposed to make your professional work life easier.

      I'm quite happy with their decision to make it a paid update and I didn't even use Sketch 2 very much.

      18 points
      • Martijn Otter, over 9 years ago

        haha lol, didn't expect so much fuss about my post. Most of the peeps who use Sketch are just fanboys, I see Sketch as a hipster program. I liked it but IMO they changed not enough to update from 2 to 3. I have been using Sketch 2 quiet a while in the beginning, but it won't defeat Photoshop for me.

        Feel free to use and buy it, guys are doing a great job. But I don't think a little update is worth another 50$. If they changed more I defo would have bought it.

        3 points
        • Brett JonesBrett Jones, over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

          It seems software developers cannot win.

          When the Creative Cloud subscription service was unveiled, people complained that they just wanted to buy and own a license to a given version of an application; one released in yearly cycles with upgrade prices in the triple digits and with a handful of new features of the calibre found between Sketch 2 and 3.

          So a small team disrupts the design industry with a nimble application, listening to customers and continuing to support it with improvements over the course of 2 years.

          Then they release a major update with improvements of at least the calibre Photoshop CS6 to CC represented, and release it for a comparatively affordable price, and people still complain.

          It's interesting to see designers commoditising the product of a small, hard-working team of software designers and developers. I'd have thought designers—of all people—would be on the same page about the value of our work.

          27 points
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          11 points
    • Brett JonesBrett Jones, over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

      Yep, paying the equivalent of a single month for the Creative Cloud subscription for a very significant update to an application which has received a steady stream of improvements over the past 2 years is simply awful.

      18 points
    • Dan HoughDan Hough, over 9 years ago

      Martijn: Don't be so flippant.

      Other guys: Don't be so snarky.

      Let's just think about this for a second: yes, it's a lot cheaper than CS, but it's still something a lot of us have already paid for. Why should people coming in later pay, ultimately, less than the rest of us for the same set of features? Seems completely irrational to me.

      Paid update? Fine, no problem. Pay more than you originally paid for the original? Seems pretty cheeky to me.

      2 points
      • Ian GoodeIan Goode, over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

        Let's just think about this for a second: yes, it's a lot cheaper than CS, but it's still something a lot of us have already paid for.

        Well to be pedantic you've already paid for Sketch 2, not Sketch 3. If none of the new features appeal to you then there's nothing forcing you to upgrade.

        $50 to a professional for a tool that you regularly use isn't all that much really. A chef would buy a knife for that.

        6 points
        • Marcel Wichmann Marcel Wichmann , over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

          I paid more for drinks, last weekend. But then again, I just might have a drinking problem.

          25 points
        • Dan HoughDan Hough, over 9 years ago

          I meant I've already paid for the majority of the software, which is largely going to be the same thing. My point is that a discount for existing users, who've supported them earlier on, would be nice.

          I can see I'm out-opined here, anyway, so there's not much we can achieve by arguing this out :) They've made their choice, I'm sure they have their reasons for charging this much across the board.

          I'm gonna give the new feature list a read and maybe try the free trial, then I'll decide whether to buy the new version.

          Anyway, I totally agree with you about the price. I think it's a reasonable, and quite fair price, for a professional software tool, I just don't know for sure yet if I fancy paying it twice for a few new features. In fact, I love the fact that they charge at all, but don't charge the absolutely insane prices that Adobe charge.

          0 points
      • Andrew CrockerAndrew Crocker, over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

        Why should people coming in later pay, ultimately, less than the rest of us for the same set of features?

        What you say here perfectly describes a subscription software license, like CC too. Imagine Sketch as running on a subscription model as well. Sketch's bills just come every 1.5 years instead of every month.

        Also, who here paid for a newer model iPhone/android when their 2-year contract is up? Buying the iPhone 1 doesn't entitle you to free phone updates forever...

        Metaphors aside, devs gotta eat. I'm happy to pay, and see my payment as a small bit of insurance that Bohemian Coding will be around long enough to make Sketch 4. :)

        15 points
    • Jeff EscalanteJeff Escalante, over 9 years ago

      This is one of those times a downvote would be nice. This is such a great company putting in boatloads of work on a david and goliath mission. I'd pay $50 just to support them continuing work and not even get anything in return. Don't think of just yourself, think of the real people working at this company that need to continue getting paid to continue working on this.

      Also, as someone else pointed out, this entire app is equal to using photoshop/illustrator for one month. That is absurd.

      10 points
      • Martijn Otter, over 9 years ago

        So that's why it's worth a down vote? They are doing a great job indeed. But "But I don't think a little update is worth another 50$. If they changed more I defo would have bought it.".

        1 point
        • Jeff EscalanteJeff Escalante, over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

          They changed a huge amount. I just bought and downloaded it, and it is a massive update. There aren't a lot of shiny new features to flaunt, but almost everything about the interface has been fiddled with and improved, as well as a huge stream of stability increases and bugfixes. $50 for this is cheap in my view, after playing with it a bit.

          EDIT: here's a video that goes over some of the changes. you'll quickly see how how of an update this was: http://www.sketchcasts.net/episodes/5

          6 points
          • Clark WimberlyClark Wimberly, over 9 years ago

            Agreed. Purchased, installed, reading through everything- this is a pretty big update.

            1 point
          • Martijn Otter, over 9 years ago (edited over 9 years ago )

            I had the beta. The only thing that I love is the Teehan+Lax symbol thingy. But that's not worth the money. I hope you guys enjoy using Sketch!

            I actually made a DN reader app for the Design+Code contest in the Sketch 3 Beta, feel free to use it and explore Sketch with it. https://layervault.com/rev/O8UDywXOn6

            (The close icon feels pretty odd, but that's an Layervault preview issue I think.)

            0 points
            • Jeff EscalanteJeff Escalante, over 9 years ago

              Hahah I love how this comment is at -1 points even though that doesn't seem possible for normal users. Good, it deserves it. "Not worth the money" is so absurd of a justification here.

              Just to continue hitting this same point over and over, you must understand that bohemian coding employs real people to make this product, who need to be paid in order to continue working on it. Second, if you compare this with the only competitor, creative cloud, the price difference is so gigantic that it is truly absurd. Third, if you are a freelancer, it's pretty likely that one single hour of your work covers the price of this product. Never mind thinking about the hundreds and hundreds of hours of hard work that have gone into making this what it is.

              I guess value is different for everyone though!

              3 points