• Joshua TurnerJoshua Turner, 5 years ago

    It doesn't take long to notice that the community here has become increasingly toxic.

    Take a look at this thread discussing a retreat for women in design.

    7 points
    • Aurooba Ahmed, 5 years ago

      Honestly, when I look over that thread, I see women in the minority. So I think maybe it's time to think about why there aren't as many women participating in threads on DN? (I'm new, so maybe I just haven't seen as many threads with women in them, but yeah).

      0 points
      • Interested Curious, 5 years ago

        Maybe it's the guy attacking everyone who defends women?

        6 points
        • Aurooba Ahmed, 5 years ago

          Well yeah, but I mean not just that thread right. There's plenty of other threads where that isn't happening, but I don't often see women (yet anyway) participating.

          1 point
        • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

          One person's attack is another's defending oneself. But this isn't about me, silly! It's plain to see the groupthink mentality in the name of this post, like discourse and morality is a high school popularity contest. Or how some other make designer got his profile pooped on today by zealous defenders of the opposite sex. Perpetrating the same exact biases in the opposite direction doesn't make equality, it makes hypocrisy. I'd be utterly shocked if you responded here in a mature, original manner without relying on some kind of social validation or hyperbole.

          1 point
          • Interested Curious, 5 years ago

            Honestly, You might just need to chill out a bit and learn to respect others opinions as much as you do your own. If you still reread that 20 days later and still see it that way, I'm not sure if you got anything from this.

            6 points
            • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

              It takes so much conviction to post anonymously on the internet in a field you aren't even involved in!

              1 point
              • Account deleted 5 years ago

                You are exactly what is wrong with this community, but you're too stubborn and condescending to see it.

                5 points
                • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

                  Sorry for ruining the near-perfect echo chamber! I'm hardly the problem here, the vacuous comments like yours are far more nefarious. Thanks for sharing your opinion though! Never be afraid to stand up for yourself.

                  1 point
                  • Account deleted 5 years ago

                    As the topic of this thread very clearly proves, this community isn't a 'near perfect echo chamber'

                    My comment isn't vacuous, or nefarious, they're simply explaining to you why people get upset with what you're posting, and why people immediately take a defensive tone against you. It's extremely telling that you have to use ad hominem attacks against me and perfectly illustrates why you are bad for this community.

                    8 points
                    • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

                      This thread clearly proves if you disagree with the status quo, people will descend on you like vultures for not fitting in line. Stick to facts, I could care less about things that belong in your journal.

                      2 points
                      • Account deleted 5 years ago

                        You can easily disagree with the status quo, but you can do it in a way that isn't confrontational and condescending, like every one of your replies seems to be.

                        7 points
                        • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

                          This whole thread is bro-code for fit in line or we'll try to mock and deride you. Pass.

                          2 points
                          • Account deleted 5 years ago

                            It really isn't and you have a pretty twisted view of the world if that's what you're getting out of this. People are mocking and deriding you because you're acting like a petulant child.

                            6 points
                            • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

                              Here, go tag team on this thread like the petulant child you keep projecting onto random internet people. https://www.designernews.co/stories/89355-the-portfolio-of--nathan-riley

                              1 point
                              • Account deleted 5 years ago

                                I love how every time I prove you wrong you try and wiggle out of it with insults or distractions. Don't you think if you were right it'd be easy to prove me wrong?

                                5 points
                                • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

                                  Oh boy alot of wrong to unpack here. These are subjective views, which you and your peers try to shove down everyone's throats, who react childishly and ferverntly when challenged. The only way to be right is to not participate.

                                  1 point
                                  • Account deleted 5 years ago

                                    No it's not. Like I've previously said, you can easily voice your opinion, but you could do it in a nice way, instead of a condescending way. You have no tact whatsoever and people get defensive because your arguments are aggressive and patronising. I've bought this up several times and you have ignored it every time I have, instead choosing to change the subject or try and distract me with something else (straw man). So why not address that?

                                    4 points
                                    • Sean SchraederSean Schraeder, 5 years ago

                                      Thank you for sharing your opinion and devoting so much time and effort to influence my behavior but I diagree, cheers! (Was that better?)

                                      1 point
                                      • Account deleted 5 years ago

                                        Not at all because you're still being condescending.

                                        4 points
      • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, 5 years ago

        I have invited my female design friends and acquaintances to DN and other design communities and they never really adopt them.

        Not sure if it's because there are few women in these communities to make them feel welcome, or because of threads like the retreat for women, or what.

        I would really like to make our communities more diverse.

        0 points
    • Sacha GreifSacha Greif, 5 years ago

      To be fair that thread was mainly one guy arguing with everybody. I don't think you can jump from that one example to "the community here has become increasingly toxic". Also any "toxic" position is invariably met by someone offering a counter-point. Which sounds like a pretty healthy community to me.

      5 points
      • Sean LesterSean Lester, 5 years ago

        Thank you.

        0 points
      • Interested Curious, 5 years ago

        It was a recent thread I guess and was pretty extreme, and the guys still going at it in this very thread.

        Additionally a lot of lame comments and jokes are copy pasted onto similar work as a sort of inside joke as criticism. (see the other portfolio criticism thread here) and the person initially didn't realize it was a copy paste.

        4 points
    • Aaron Wears Many HatsAaron Wears Many Hats, 5 years ago

      That thread was such a shitfight.

      1 point
    • Sean LesterSean Lester, 5 years ago

      Weird, it's almost as if you can't aggressively push a divisive political agenda to the forefront of every outlet and just have everyone agree or keep their disagreements to themselves. There's such an annoying arrogance to this attitude that you should be free to endlessly promote progressivism without any resistance whatsoever. It isn't "toxic" if you create a Medium article about the evils of white men in tech, but it's toxic if you raise an eyebrow about such an article. There is such a lack of self awareness wrapped up in all of this.

      2 points
      • Joshua TurnerJoshua Turner, 5 years ago

        When someone starts attacking/mocking individuals for their opinion it becomes toxic.

        1 point