How to make black people delete your app(medium.com)

over 4 years ago from Jon L, Design Entrepreneur

  • Blake PerdueBlake Perdue, over 4 years ago

    I found this whole article insulting. The emoji is yellow. I'm white dude and my hands do not look yellow. It's just the default emoji. Nobody is thinking about race until you make it about race.

    18 points
    • Nick MNick M, over 4 years ago

      "Nobody is thinking about race until you make it about race"

      Wrong.

      People who aren't white have to think about their race every day. You're not the only person on the planet, and your experience as a self-admitted "white dude" invalidates your commentary on the matter.

      This dude straight up told you why he stopped using it, and you dare to sit there and discount his experience. Immensely disrespectful.

      You're insulted? Get over yourself.

      27 points
      • Jon LJon L, over 4 years ago

        Applause

        9 points
      • Garrett Cox, over 4 years ago

        "You're insulted? Get over yourself."

        Right.

        If you're insulted that a company used a yellow clapping hands emoji in place of a star, or a thumbs up, "Get over yourself"

        If you're insulted because a company has less than 10 employees, and all of them are white, "Get over yourself"

        9 points
        • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

          If you're insulted because companies discriminate against you based on your race, "Get over yourself"

          FTFY

          3 points
          • Garrett Cox, over 4 years ago

            Yeah so if I hung out with a group of 9 or so friends, all of which happened to be white and male, that makes me racist AND a sexist right!? Right?! Man "discrimination" has become such a bastardized term..

            9 points
            • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

              Or maybe you just don't have to care about systemic barriers that prevent marginalized people from working in tech? The US is only ~50% men and ~64% white, but every other company is made up of white dudes. Where's the disconnect?

              I'm not calling any individual sexist or racist, but we live and work in a sexist and racist system. We need to be conscious of that and work to fix it.

              6 points
              • Adam Hayman, over 4 years ago

                Wait...just to clarify, you're trying to say that we should be seeing ~50% men and ~64% white people in tech because those are the overall stats for the country we live in?

                You know that's not how statistics work, right?

                2 points
                • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

                  If you take an unbiased subset of a population, then yes, that's exactly how statistics work.

                  2 points
                  • Adam Hayman, over 4 years ago

                    If things like poor access to quality education, peer pressure, cultural background, poverty, and societal norms don't exist, sure, that's how statistics work.

                    In reality there are a million different reasons other than racism and sexism that we don't see those percentages of people in tech. You're making your assumptions in a vacuum.

                    9 points
                    • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

                      Or: you're not making any connection between those things and racism/sexism/etc. Quality of education, poverty, access to professional networks, etc, are all things that white males in aggregate experience less—and that's before you get into conscious and unconscious biases that are explicitly based on factors like race. You can't say "it's not racism, it's quality of education!" without taking segregation, redlining, legacy admissions,

                      I'm not making my assumptions in a vacuum: whenever I look at why cishet white men are disproportionately overrepresented in (especially high positions in) tech, and the answers are almost always racism and sexism.

                      5 points
                      • Adam Hayman, over 4 years ago

                        To say that racism and sexism are the only reasons everything is the way it is, is a pretty narrow-minded statement. Ironic, for someone with what's a pretty liberal mindset! :)

                        6 points
              • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, over 4 years ago

                Or maybe you just don't have to care about systemic barriers that prevent marginalized people from working in tech?

                It is a freakin' YELLOW clapping hand icon.

                Not a job offer.

                Stop crying wolf.

                5 points
                • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

                  Representation. Is . Important.

                  You're white. Stop telling people of color when they should be offended by racism.

                  8 points
                  • Denis RojcykDenis Rojcyk, over 4 years ago

                    With your logic, you should stop telling people what and why should they care about something.

                    5 points
                  • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, over 4 years ago

                    To "cry wolf" means to raise a false alarm.

                    I'm not telling them to stop being offended by racism.

                    I'm telling them to stop being offended by something that's NOT racism. Nobody is treated unequally here.

                    5 points
                    • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

                      Yes white man, tell me how lack of representation of people of color in tech isn't racism

                      3 points
                      • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, over 4 years ago

                        Emoticons are yellow based off of the original smiley face. You're meaning to tell me the the original yellow smiley face was a racist symbol as well?

                        .edit: also, because I'm white I can't join in a discussion on what is racism and what isn't? You want equality and conversation or do you want me to shut up and say "I'm sorry"?

                        2 points
                        • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

                          No, I'm not saying yellow smiley faces are racist.

                          You can absolutely join in. But when a person of color tells you something is racist (like in the article), the proper response is not telling them it isn't. The proper response is to listen, because they see racism much more often than you do, in ways that you never will.

                          0 points
                          • Dirk HCM van BoxtelDirk HCM van Boxtel, over 4 years ago

                            Had a long discussion about this with a friend of mine. I've come around a bit on the subject on the argument of "misrepresentation". Overly representing any particular race means you're underrepresenting others, and thus furthering the belief that one is worth more than the other.

                            While I'm still of the opinion that it'd help the writer of the article to not care about sticks 'n stones, I do now see the error in my assumptions.

                            Thanks for not letting up on trying to convince me, it made me go out of my way to reach out to others for more opinions and changed my point of view.

                            Apologies for being a bit of a dense twat. Suppose that's my inner ignorance surfacing. Hard.

                            1 point
      • John PJohn P, over 4 years ago

        Maybe stop culturally appropriating emoji, it's a Japanese invention.

        0 points
      • Art VandelayArt Vandelay, over 4 years ago

        Isn't one person invalidating another person's commentary based on race..............racist?

        2 points
        • Nick MNick M, over 4 years ago

          No. One person refuting a point made from a position lacking knowledge whilst trying to interject is pointing out the Dunning-Kruger effect.

          Also known as not being a dick.

          1 point
    • Jake Lazaroff, over 4 years ago

      The emoji is yellow. I'm white dude and my hands do not look yellow.

      What race are all the yellow characters in this poster?

      simpsons characters

      6 points