Pinboard's Heroic and Lazy Stand Against IFTTT(

over 4 years ago from Eduard Giménez, Co-founder & CTO at Emtrics

  • Oliver PattisonOliver Pattison, over 4 years ago

    It sounds like you may be talking partly about interests of Pinboard users and not the interest of Pinboard, the business. Not that they aren’t closely connected, but if he invests $10,000 (for the sake of argument) of development time and server costs in IFTTT, is he likely to get more than that back in user subscriptions? Maybe – but I doubt it. And what if it's $20,000? He’s serious when he talks about being lazy, but the implication is that writing custom code, even for a really useful feature, costs him significant time and server resources.

    Just like IFTTT’s interest is in getting people to make APIs work with them, Pinboard’s interest is in keeping existing customers and getting new subscribers. It is possible that IFTTT support doesn’t really figure into Pinboard’s bottom line at all. He isn’t asking them to do something against their interest – they’re asking him to do something against his interest. In this article, he credited them for doing hard work in the first place in creating a connecting API, but he’s not suggesting that they should keep it going forever. In fact, he is critical of their business model and would likely suggest that they don’t keep it going. Pinboard even offers IFTTT-like Twitter archiving integration that most users probably don’t even know about.

    As a long-term Pinboard user and a long-time regular IFTTT user, I can say that I get value out of the Pinboard API every day, but I can take or leave IFTTT support. After all, Pinboard still has an API.

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    • Joshua TurnerJoshua Turner, over 4 years ago

      I completely agree, but I believe that Pinboard would have a much better chance of recouping their investment in terms of new users from IFTTT than vise versa.

      If IFTTT invested their time to support Pinboard, would they recoup the costs in terms of new users who signed up solely because of the Pinboard integration? Very unlikely.

      I don't think they're asking him to do something against his interest as much as they're saying they're not going to do something against theirs, and that hopefully Pinboard believes that it is in their best interest to integrate with them.

      Otherwise it's a mutual decision that neither party benefits enough from the integration of one another to dedicate time to it, and we have the situation we're currently in.

      I just feel like painting IFTTT as the "bad guy" is inaccurate and reactionary. For the users, it's unfortunate that it won't work anymore. But if neither IFTTT or Pinboard believes that it's worth their time, you cannot fault them for not doing it.

      This will of course change if either platform sees a drop in user base as a result of this decision, which in a simplistic view, is how the market is supposed to work.

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      • Oliver PattisonOliver Pattison, over 4 years ago (edited over 4 years ago )

        Very reasonable. I agree that IFTTT is not the bad guy. They will suffer for shutting down channels though – and Pinboard is one of many.

        Maciej gets passionate about these matters, and he likes to pick fights with perceived competitors and antagonists, particularly if they are venture capital funded.

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