Being a female Developer(medium.com)

almost 7 years ago from John Leschinski, Front End Developer

  • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, almost 7 years ago

    I have to balance your experience with those I hear from thousands of other women, some through articles, others through women I know personally.

    Considering the history of sexism, the statistical evidence, the fact that I trust these people who are not hysterical or sensitive or seeking to be a victim, I have to take what these people are saying seriously.

    Your friend probably does have an unfair disadvantage due to his height, what does that have to do with this? Did I say that men can't experience discrimination or prejudice? So just because not ALL bad work experiences are due to sexism, we can't focus on the large number of them that are?

    I think your take on this is far more telling of your preconceived notions than mine. I'm curious if you think there are any issues with racism (I'm assuming you aren't a minority) in the tech world or workplace?

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    • John LeschinskiJohn Leschinski, almost 7 years ago

      Information will be biased towards those with negative experiences. Those with positive experiences generally do not write think pieces on how they don't have an issue. For every negative experience you read on Medium, there is a positive experience you'll never hear about.

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      • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, almost 7 years ago

        Right, because positive experiences are not something we are trying to change. It's not like each positive experience cancels out a negative one. Violence is going down in America (not that you would know looking at the news) but that doesn't mean we should stop focusing on eliminating the violence that remains.

        Sexism and racism in the workplace have improved ENORMOUSLY over the past century, that doesn't mean we can dismiss what still remains.

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        • John LeschinskiJohn Leschinski, almost 7 years ago

          The hypocrisy. Positive experiences = not worth paying attention to. Negative experiences = systemic widespread issue.

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          • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, almost 7 years ago

            Not trying to change != not worth paying attention to. I always advocate for more positive news to balance all the negative, both in tech and other areas of life.

            Negative does not automatically equal systemic, but when you find such stories in the vast majority of companies and in the majority of people I speak to who aren't white guys, you begin to think MAAAYBBBEE this is more than just anecdotes.

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    • Ix TechauIx Techau, almost 7 years ago

      I think we both know you haven't heard or read thousands of other opinions on it, but perhaps more likely a few dozen. Well I have read and heard just as many talking about the other side of the coin, which makes this still anecdotal from both of us, and none of us has heard more than the other. I mean I totally understand why you would want to believe that there are more stories out there supporting your preconceived notions, but there are no facts supporting this claim.

      Speaking of facts, you claim statistical evidence...what statistical evidence would prove sexism in the tech industry? Tip: don't say wage gap.

      My friend's height is relevant to the discussion to point out that discrimination exists everywhere, all the time. I as a woman should not receive special treatment when it comes to discrimination just because I'm a woman. Discrimination is not ideal, but it is something we will never get rid of on a global scale. The only way to get rid of it is on a local scale.

      What I mean by that is that I as a woman can eradicate discrimination and prejudice in my work place quite easily, just by performing just as well as the other employees and never use the gender card for shortcuts.

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      • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, almost 7 years ago

        Where did anyone say women should get special treatment? I find this is a common misdirection by people who insist sexism and racism are magically over. What I am saying is that women should NOT get special treatment, particularly when that treatment is negative.

        I don't understand why you would think I want this to be true? I used to think like you did, that sexism and racism were mostly a thing of the past and could/should be ignored at this point. Enough shared experiences by a variety of women and minorities began to make me realize I couldn't dismiss all of them at once.

        Look, the sensitivity and instantly-offended nature of this conversation gets on my nerves too, and the amount of in-fighting it has created on the left is also frustrating. But despite those faults, you cannot say the issue is nonexistent.

        But the idea that these people are using the "Gender card" just to get ahead shows how little you are actually paying attention to their stories.

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        • Ix TechauIx Techau, almost 7 years ago

          I find it hilarious that you - a man - is trying to explain to me - a woman - that my experience in the tech industry is wrong, because you have heard enough anecdotes to support your agenda.

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          • Mattan IngramMattan Ingram, almost 7 years ago

            Strawman. I did not say your experience is wrong, I'm saying it is one of a variety of experiences that you cannot simply ignore.

            But way to put words in my mouth.

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