Macaw is joining InVision(macaw.co)

almost 4 years ago from Henry Moran, Product Designer @ Badger Studios

  • Some DesignerSome Designer, almost 4 years ago

    So what's going to happen all the funding they got from kickstarter? Do they even have the balls to return the money back to the backers?

    1 point
    • Ian GoodeIan Goode, almost 4 years ago

      They have no obligation to do that at all. People backed them for v1 and they released it ages ago.

      11 points
      • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, almost 4 years ago

        truth. the kickstarter campaign was in 2013, v1 released early 2014. it's completely unreasonable to expect a refund at this point (though people will anyway)

        8 points
      • Some DesignerSome Designer, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

        Yeah you do have point. Backing for the v1 would be reasonable but I remember the kickstarter was to creation of the Macaw software not just for the 1st stable version.

        Let's assume that I personally hate invision and these guys sold an application which was created with my money to a company that I hate. They never explained that they'd sell their app to a bigger company if they fail. At least they could have charged extra refunds from InVision.


        for the angry teenage fanboys; I do not hate invision. In fact I'm unable to have feelings towards computer softwares. Sorry for not being weird

        1 point
        • Ian GoodeIan Goode, almost 4 years ago

          Yeah you do have point. Backing for the v1 would be reasonable but I remember the kickstarter was to creation of the Macaw software not just for the 1st stable version.

          It was pretty clearly a "back us so we can hire some more staff and get this v1 over the line" campaign, they literally said that. So their only obligation was to ship the v1 and give their backers early access like promised.

          I totally get that it's annoying to put a tool into your daily workflow only to have it get acquired one day and fall out of existence. I'm tired of it as well.

          4 points
          • Brian HintonBrian Hinton, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

            They never actually delivered all the promised features. Most of the dedicated backers held fast hoping that Macaw would deliver when they released Scarlet.

            Now that Invision owns the tech (and staff?) will they care about the original promises Macaw made? Likely no. Macaw's tech will be bundled into a product that is only accessible behind a monthly subscription paywall.

            2 points
          • Some DesignerSome Designer, almost 4 years ago

            Uhh, I must have missed that one. Then I take my words back on refunds.

            0 points
        • Michael AleoMichael Aleo, almost 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

          You paid for a future license for software they were developing, you didn't invest in the company. I don't know why people always act like this about Kickstarter. You basically preordered. And they delivered. It's not open source software. You're not a shareholder. They didn't have to get your permission to take an exit. They don't owe you shit.

          You seem really angry about all this, and it borders on being unprofessional.

          7 points
          • Some DesignerSome Designer, almost 4 years ago

            TBH I don't own macaw, just trying to make a non hostile argument here man. Please do not try to "judge" me with false accusations. Also seems like you're the one who's on the edge.

            If they didn't get my money at the first place they wouldn't able to release "shit" (trying to use your terms). In a way, every backer is a shareholder since they're credited in credits. And kickstarter is not just"preorder" :D Don't be funny man. You're literally funding the project. That's called micro-investment. Also think about like this, you buy something from market and it happens to be gone bad even the expiration date is not over. What would you do? Sit down and eat the rotten food?

            0 points
    • Ryan MurphyRyan Murphy, almost 4 years ago

      Hey, have you heard about the Oculus Conspiracy? Only 2% of people believe it but the CIA are covering up what really happened to the Kickstarter money when Facebook gobbled them up.

      If you're brave enough, Google it.

      6 points
    • Andrew SmithAndrew Smith, almost 4 years ago

      It's spent – you can't return a piece of software 3 years after it was released – the software still exists and you're able to use it until an OS update breaks it.

      You were investing in the company to create the product, more than the product though

      4 points
    • Michael AleoMichael Aleo, almost 4 years ago

      I'm pretty sure all the funding from Kickstarter went into paying the team a living wage while they you know, developed and released V1. I was a backer too, and you make it sound like they took the money and ran, which isn't even remotely close to the truth.

      2 points
    • tom giannattasiotom giannattasio, almost 4 years ago

      Hey there! I thought I'd chime in on this. Honestly, we can’t thank you enough for your support. We wanted to keep this with the community and Kickstarter gave us that ability. I personally left my job and worked without pay for a solid year before Kickstarting. The funds we received were used solely and sparingly to keep the lights on at home and food in our children’s mouthes. Without it, Macaw would have been nothing more than an idea because we had already spent our entire savings trying to build it. The wife was ready to kill me!

      We were one of the few Kickstarter campaigns to actually deliver our product. We even did it on time, which is rare! We poured every piece of ourselves into what we were building and I’m quite proud of what we accomplished. Our very small team was able to build something that would have cost other teams millions of dollars and years of engineering. Not only that, we were dedicated to building more, so we started Scarlet. It's not done, but it has some amazing potential. We realized the best way to maximize that potential is with the help of someone. That someone is InVision.

      Macaw only exists because we all came together to make it real. That’s awesome. This community is self-powering and we’re honored to play our part. We have a lot more coming. Thanks so much!

      7 points
      • Michael AleoMichael Aleo, almost 4 years ago

        You're being really nice to this guy. You don't owe anyone an explanation for anything. You guys have been transparent since before day one, and I was more than pleased with what I got for my Kickstarter money. People think they own a piece/are owed something from a successful company when they backed it on Kickstarter.

        Congrats on the acquisition, and I'm excited to see what you guys are doing with one of my favorite products.

        2 points
      • Kris KimKris Kim, almost 4 years ago

        Hi. Can you give us at least a hint on what would happen to Scarlet? Will it be Invision Scarlet (it's jk..)? I just hope that it doesn't become a part of Invision app which is already becoming bloated..

        0 points