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4 years ago from Daniel Eden, Product Designer at Facebook

  • Daniel EdenDaniel Eden, 4 years ago

    Serious, honest answer: I don’t know. I don’t suspect it was at all intentional, and I won’t pretend to know how women seeing the OP feel (though I could makeaneducatedguess). What I do know is that it’s easy to overlook something like this, but that it’s exactly these kinds of events and decisions that compound over time and cause systemic inequality.

    10 points
    • Mike Wilson, 4 years ago (edited 4 years ago )

      I know it sounds very sensational after the emotionally charged debates we've been having here lately, but here's the reality:

      1. DN is a free website that is open to anyone who wants to join.
      2. The vast majority of people who have decided to join DN are men.
      3. Therefore, mens size t-shirts will sell in vastly higher quantities than womens

      This is a simple case of a business selling a product to its customers.

      Systemic inequality is not some phrase to be thrown around lightly. Please read this article to understand what actual systemic inequality is:

      My local supermarket doesn't sell lamb testicles because less than 1% of the local population is Turkish and demand is low. Even though my Turkish grandpa would love if they did sell it, that is not systemic inequality against Turkish people. Economists refer to it as economics.

      21 points
      • Ed AdamsEd Adams, 4 years ago (edited almost 4 years ago )

        (Upon reflection I've decided to delete this.)

        7 points
        • Mike Wilson, 4 years ago

          An apologist for what? Supply and demand? Yes I am a supply and demand apologist.

          Toxic thought processes? So when any business decides to put less resources toward a product because it is low volume, they are being toxic?

          Discrimination against women in tech is a real problem. The marketing of branded T Shirts is not one of the causes of that problem, and is therefore ridiculous to spend time discussing.

          22 points
          • Connor Tomas O'BrienConnor Tomas O'Brien, 4 years ago

            Considering that this is a form of discrimination that is quick and easy to rectify, and directly makes women feel unwelcome within this community, how about we tackle this one first tho

            7 points
            • Ix TechauIx Techau, 4 years ago

              Do you think I feel unwelcome because DN doesn't sell a t-shirt that is supposedly for women (e.g. fitted and made to be more "sexy")? Do you see a lot of women wearing t-shirts? I don't. It's not a common garment for women in general.

              5 points
              • Briana HokansonBriana Hokanson, 4 years ago

                Do you see a lot of women wearing t-shirts? I don't. It's not a common garment for women in general.

                Yes it is. What a strange (and false) observation.

                1 point
      • Jim SilvermanJim Silverman, 4 years ago

        My local supermarket doesn't sell lamb testicles

        Designer News, everybody.

        18 points
        • Michael AleoMichael Aleo, 4 years ago

          How the fuck did this get to here?

          5 points
          • Nate vNate v, 4 years ago

            It was an analogy in a previous comment. It fits the conversation, except when it is taken out of context... as it was above.

            2 points
          • Mike Wilson, 4 years ago

            Funny how all these pro-diversity "champions of equality" are struggling to comprehend a mention of another culture's food traditions. A bit ironic, no?

            2 points