A challenge to all DN users

over 5 years ago from Shane Boland, front-end design/shopify optimization

  • Bennett WongBennett Wong, over 5 years ago (edited over 5 years ago )

    Who should you invite to DN?

    a) A male

    b) A female

    c) Someone who is interested in design news

    ɔ :ɹǝʍsuɐ ʇɔǝɹɹoɔ

    90 points
    • Diana Lopez, over 5 years ago

      What is exclusionary about "try to invite women"? You can invite men too. All this topic is saying is try to make a point to invite a woman to balance out the numbers.

      33 points
      • Crampa ...Crampa ..., over 5 years ago

        You're saying we should invite women to balance out the numbers. Seems unnatural and forced.

        22 points
        • Ryan RushingRyan Rushing, over 5 years ago (edited over 5 years ago )

          Unnatural and forced only for those who don't know any designers who are women.

          14 points
    • Anna NiessAnna Niess, over 5 years ago (edited over 5 years ago )

      I regularly tell both men and women about DN if I think they are interested. It seems you are missing the point.

      Consider how women who speak up are treated in online communities, and you have you answer in why so few women are on Designer News. Message boards, comments sections, and social media can be pretty terrifying places for women.

      The great thing is, DN is one of the few accepting and professional forums I've ever seen. Way more women should be involved and contributing to this place. It's an incredible resource as is, and women can bring more diverse content and points of view that we can all benefit from.

      Dismissing the absence of women in design and technology fields as not a problem, or not something that doesn't need to be addressed... is exactly the problem.

      37 points
      • Jonathan ShariatJonathan Shariat, over 5 years ago

        Exactly, the population is 50-50 so if theres less than that we should be asking why. More so if it doesn't match the number currently in our industry.

        But when its as little as 8%, we should worry that voices our community needs, perspectives our community needs, aren't getting enough representation.

        So we should ask why, we should invite them. Sure invite everyone, but obviously that hasn't reached enough women, so we should go out of our way to invite a few.

        17 points
      • Stephanie WalterStephanie Walter, over 5 years ago

        "Message boards, comments sections, and social media can be pretty terrifying places for women." => As a female designer who comments on DN and other social networks, I'd like to know why you think it's terrifying for us. Is there any kind of study ? I'd be really interested in.

        11 points
    • Clay MacTavishClay MacTavish, over 5 years ago


      2 points
    • Rachel WhiteRachel White, over 5 years ago

      He didn't say invite women just for the sake of inviting women.

      He said designers who are women, who we can all assume would be interested in news for designers.

      8 points
    • Simon Vansintjan, over 5 years ago

      It's this exact same conversation that is happening in the rest of the tech world. Guess what? You're wrong when it comes to this.

      Sure, all things being equal it would make sense to prefer to invite "people interested in design". But all things aren't equal - the statistics clearly show this. They show this in work environments, they show this in pay rates, they show this in who's taking care of children, etc.

      I personally doubt that it's because there's less women interested in design news. Design doesn't strike me as a classically unequally distributed profession. My personal experience is counter to this (though I am a man, I don't really know). I don't think the fault lies with women (as seems to be the implication of this response).

      So then the next step is to examine in our community what is actually happening, and why there is such an imbalance. Why are there more men on Designer News? Is it because it's an unsafe environment? Is it because they feel like they're excluded? Is it because they have less time?

      Maybe the answer is not to invite more women to designer news. I don't think the case is that they're not hearing about it. Maybe the answer is to talk to the women who were here and left. Why did they leave? Why aren't they coming back? Maybe it's time for Designer News to have a critical examination of itself before it goes down the Reddit and HackerNews trajectories.

      0 points