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Ask DN: Britain Leaving the EU, how will it affect you?
almost 7 years ago from Joe C, Design & Development Lead
Xavier Bertels, almost 7 years ago
Their common history and liberalism might have something to do with it. Not judging. It’s just different world views.
Brian Hinton, almost 7 years ago
@Xavier #brexit was spawned by a conservative party...not a liberal one.
Liberalism and conservatism are not necessarily a dichotomy anymore.
Ethan Bond, almost 7 years ago (edited almost 7 years ago )
Of course they are. What kind of statement is this and why is it upvoted?
They are by definition exclusive and antonymous. You can say liberal parties and conservative parties aren't reflective of their namesakes and therefore no longer dichotomous, but that's fundamentally different from your statement.
Regardless, this recent tendency to act like every ideology is just as ugly as the next simply because every ideology has an ugly side is in itself perhaps the ugliest side of modern politics overall. The fact is that both Trump and Brexit are specifically and exclusively the manifestation of conservative actors and conservative power bases. Again, whether you believe they're reflective of conservatism is somewhat irrelevant here, and any commentary on that topic falls victim to No True Scotsman anyways.
It breeds apathy and a sense of powerlessness to say that there is no difference between the right and the left. There is. The left didn't support Brexit and they don't support Trump. The right supports both. These alone prove your statement wrong, and there are hundreds if not thousands more distinctly dichotomous differences between the two.
The people do have the power to change things like this, and it's by supporting non-right powers. Choose moderate views if you want, but these problems are caused by the right in dichotomous opposition to the left.
I agree with most of what you are saying.
It is precisely why I think liberalism and conservatism in modern society are not dichotomous. In theory, they might be. In practice, less so.
In practice, a Brexit vote can be motivated from either of those ideologies as they are currently understood. You could argue that a liberal would vote leave and a conservative would vote remain. Or the other way around. Those who are generally regarded to be conservatives in modern society sometimes have more liberal viewpoints than liberals.
This can also be seen in the different groups that supported remain vs those that supported leave: they are in fact not, as suggested, singularly left-wing or right-wing. Their motivations and background are mixed, just like the people who voted leave or remain can use either ideology to motivate their vote.
People do have the power to change things like this, and the irony of it all is that they have. Whether it was your preferred outcome or not is, unfortunately, irrelevant.
Calum Smith, almost 7 years ago
Lower-case L liberalism is often not the defining characteristic of western Liberal parties. In general it's more in-line with Conservative parties, as they tend to conserve the nature of countries like the USA that were founded on liberal ideals—liberal as in liberty.
I’m not optimistic. My dual citizenship appears to have taken a massive blow, and I’m staying in Switzerland with my girlfriend as a freelancer— so no work visas or official residence. Not sure how that will play out for me.
Trump and Brexit? How come both of my countries are pure clownery right now?